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Old 11-13-2005, 09:03 PM   #346
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just saw the list of drivers a few posts back that were dropped.

i noticed some are CRC drivers, my opinion...

if they can't snatch the pebble from the Master's hand (Frank Calandra) it is not the time for them to leave, but learn more.

speaking of Frank never met him, etc. but once heard some complaining at after he won Stock at the IIC in Vegas that he should move up. i beleive, he shouldn't have to. One racer out of PHX area was impressed by what he saw of Frank in Vegas. those who covered the race were also.

i think the most entertaining race of the year would be to see all or any of the top Pros in mod 12th scale (supposedly step down in level) go up against him?

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Old 11-13-2005, 09:12 PM   #347
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OK Baker not a off road guy now thats some funny stuff!!!! He can lay the spank down in off road just like on road seen it many a time BRO !!!!

How many major offroad events do you see him enter. You guys are too literal. Just relating it to the topic at hand.
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Old 11-13-2005, 09:16 PM   #348
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Wow, this thread has gotton way off track. Especially with ideas of having the true factory guys step down to run stock.


If everyone wants to get the Team Xray and Team Corally drivers out of "their" stock class, then make a ROAR sanctioned Pro-Stock class. Then the guys scared of running mod can drive in the easier class (Pro-stock) and the newer racers can have a class where they feel competitive (stock).
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Old 11-13-2005, 09:21 PM   #349
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How many major offroad events do you see him enter. You guys are too literal. Just relating it to the topic at hand.
Look he has raced many a off road races but the last few years he has been paid to run onroad. Know the facts before posting about someone eh?
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Old 11-13-2005, 09:22 PM   #350
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If everyone wants to get the Team Xray and Team Corally drivers out of "their" stock class, then make a ROAR sanctioned Pro-Stock class. Then the guys scared of running mod can drive in the easier class (Pro-stock) and the newer racers can have a class where they feel competitive (stock).
NOw that is a good idea!! why not? there is expert stock and stock in our club races here. Why not at a major event ???
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Old 11-13-2005, 09:23 PM   #351
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Chad, this issue trancends ROAR. That being said ,the On-Road committee is discussing the issues that are related to this problem. We are not taking it lightly and making sure as many angles are covered.



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Wow, this thread has gotton way off track. Especially with ideas of having the true factory guys step down to run stock.


If everyone wants to get the Team Xray and Team Corally drivers out of "their" stock class, then make a ROAR sanctioned Pro-Stock class. Then the guys scared of running mod can drive in the easier class (Pro-stock) and the newer racers can have a class where they feel competitive (stock).
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Old 11-13-2005, 09:26 PM   #352
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How many of these beginners do you actually think are gonna pop the 1k+ it costs to run at one of these events?? Even in yer own backyard, the costs aren't like a normal two day race......still gonna cost a good $400+ almost a week off work....

Seems were trying to cater for something, that doesn't really exsist....

Cause REALLY....these so called beginners, will just go from being in the J main to the F main....

Is it even really a good investment for a beginner to spend $1,000+ on an single event? Please don't give me the it provides them EXPERIENCE crap....

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Old 11-13-2005, 09:27 PM   #353
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Look he has raced many a off road races but the last few years he has been paid to run onroad. Know the facts before posting about someone eh?
relax, you just stated that he is an onroad specialist. Nobody questions his ability. He is one of the best at whatever he runs.
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Old 11-13-2005, 10:16 PM   #354
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Wow, this thread has gotton way off track. Especially with ideas of having the true factory guys step down to run stock.


If everyone wants to get the Team Xray and Team Corally drivers out of "their" stock class, then make a ROAR sanctioned Pro-Stock class. Then the guys scared of running mod can drive in the easier class (Pro-stock) and the newer racers can have a class where they feel competitive (stock).
Look at the SRS Cactus Classic they run three classes of stock each year.

Expert (Full Factory, partial sponsored and talented independents run this)
Sportsman
Old Dude (over 40)

the Cactus is a ROAR race, but the promoters have made it a point to have a 3 teir stock level option at their race.

Promoters of onroad races could easily exercize this type option if the demand is high enough. looking at the latest indoor races foam tire classes and separate rubber tire classes seems to be what's catching on for sedan
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Old 11-13-2005, 10:22 PM   #355
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the Cactus is a ROAR race,
The Cactus is not a ROAR race, they may require you to have ROAR membership. But that doesn't make a ROAR event!

ROAR events are ROAR state, Regional and National races.
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Old 11-13-2005, 10:34 PM   #356
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The Cactus is not a ROAR race, they may require you to have ROAR membership. But that doesn't make a ROAR event!

ROAR events are ROAR state, Regional and National races.
ok my wording was off, but it was announced a few years back that the Cactus is a ROAR quailfier race for the Nationals or gives one the status of having won a ROAR race for consideration at a IFMAR level/sanctioned race. so in a sense, i guess it has the blessing and recognition from ROAR as being official.

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Stock was never designed to be a beginner class....I have been racing since 1987....its just in the last few years, that this "stock is for the beginners" crap has started....



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Eddie, you are SO full of it.

Stock was ALWAYS intended to be the beginners class. Back when we ran closed (tabbed) endbells, stock was always regarded as the "everyday Joe" class. The big gun's drivers (Hyperdrive, Associated and Bolink) all drove mod.

I should know, as I helped pit for my Dad in Central Florida at Lake Whipporwhill several years in a row in the late 1980s. (Oval)
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Old 11-13-2005, 11:16 PM   #358
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Eddie, you are SO full of shit.

Stock was ALWAYS intended to be the beginners class. Back when we ran closed (tabbed) endbells, stock was always regarded as the "everyday Joe" class. The big gun's drivers (Hyperdrive, Associated and Bolink) all drove mod.

I should know, as I helped pit for my Dad in Central Florida at Lake Whipporwhill several years in a row in the late 1980s. (Oval)
Yeah, I can't recall any sponsored drivers in stock class back in the early 90s when I got out of RC. There were also a lot more mod heats at big races back then. In fact if you wanted any sort of motor, battery, or car sponsor you prettymuch had no choice but to prove yourself in mod. So it would seem that you can't just blame the drivers but also blame the companies for handing out sponsors to guys that have never driven mod at a big race.
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Yeah, I can't recall any sponsored drivers in stock class back in the early 90s when I got out of RC. There were also a lot more mod heats at big races back then. In fact if you wanted any sort of motor, battery, or car sponsor you prettymuch had no choice but to prove yourself in mod. So it would seem that you can't just blame the drivers but also blame the companies for handing out sponsors to guys that have never driven mod at a big race.

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I raced stock in the mid 80's-- i remember everyone being close in speed and driving counting the most...
now I am seeing this: either have a (mostly) unlimited fund from the 'folks (or no significant-other to dedicate time/money to), buy lots of 40-50 dollar motors, have the dyno to tweek them, the lathe to cut them every run, the new brushes every 1-3 runs, gear them to the point of meltdown, get a few "cherry" runs out of them before they become practice or ebay items, oh yeah the magnet zapper, anything i forget? whats the average racer to think when there are guys with stock motors/batteries reserved for the main that combined cost 150+ and are untouchable on the track, yet said average racer has no desire to race sportsman because it is an all-out ridiculous hack fest?.... I would like to see tamper-proof brushless motors play a role in non-expert stock classes so racers could make driving the most important thing (a new-school mabuchi concept). No whining on my part, but hey i would like to see something happen to make "stock" a bit closer in terms of power.
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