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New Parts
  • June 2016: A800-SPR01-98 - The version of SPR01 springs with reduced angle of the tips bending. Recommended for using with new SPR02H3 Shock Rod Guides.
  • June 2016: A800-SPR01S-98 - The version of SPR01S springs with reduced angle of the tips bending. Recommended for using with new SPR02H3 Shock Rod Guides.
  • May / June 2016: A800-AM14A - includes new optional "longer" hole on steering arm
  • May / June 2016: A700-AM14-3 - removes the prior "longer" hole on steering arm
  • May / June 2016: A800-C04AL+0.5 - 0.5mm wider alloy suspension arm
  • May / June 2016: A800-C01B-2.25 - 2.25mm carbon main plate (best suited for asphalt racing)
  • May / June 2016: A800-D2.2 - Dampers that support a thicker SPR02H3
  • May / June 2016: A800-SPR02H3 - Thicker Shock Rod Guides for the D2.2 damper
  • May / June 2016: A800-AT41-2 - Damper vane for the D2.2 damper designed to work w/ SPR02H3
  • May / June 2016: A800-SPR02H - Stronger Shock Rod Guides for the D2.0 and D2.1 damper versions
  • May 2016: A800-AM19-4 - Currently used in the rear of a kit. With AM19-4 the top link effective length is 0,7mm shorter compare to AM19-2. Also with AM19-4 the flex of suspension is smaller ( similar to more stiffer arm and c-hub of normal cars). The screws on dampers are more accessible for adjustment.
  • January 2017 - SPRO2X - new for dampers and do not require a 98 degree bent spring.
  • January 2017 - New A800X and A800XA kits now available featuring 0.3mm longer front and rear wheelbase.
Kit Updates
  • May - Current: Kits now including DT10-2-1 bearing holders for increased side play and durability of the differential and spool.
  • May - July 2016: bearings within kits require oil before use
  • May / June 2016: C01B-AL (Khaki) Chassis with 0.5mm/side wider front arm mounts
  • May / June 2016: 2x ST17-1-S replace ST17 - See page 21 of manual
  • May / June 2016: Updated damper, D2.2, introduced
  • May / June 2016: Thicker Shock Rod Guides for the D2.2 damper included with kits, A800-SPR02H3
  • Jan 2016: GD2 Output Axle (ST31-1) update to use blue foam (P46) instead of set screw (used on each side of Axle after assembly)


Setups
Major Race Wins
  • 2016 Reedy Race of Champions - Modified - Julian Wong
  • 2016 Mile High Championship - 17.5 - Kyle Klingforth
  • 2016 Mile High Championship - 13.5 - Kyle Klingforth
  • 2016 ROAR On-Road Carpet Nationals - 17.5 - Mike Gee
  • 2016 ROAR On-Road Carpet Nationals - 13.5 - Mike Gee
  • 2015/6 ETS Season 9 Round 3 - Xray Pro Stock Division - Tony Streit
  • 2015 US Indoor Champs - 13.5 - Mike Gee
  • 2016 Roar On-Road Asphalt Nationals - 13.5 - Mike Gee
  • 2016 Roar On-Road Asphalt Nationals - 17.5 - Sam Isaacs
  • 2016 International Indoor Championships (IIC) - 17.5 - Mike Gee
  • 2016 Halloween Classic at the Gate - 17.5 - Brad Johnson
  • 2016 US Indoor Champs - 17.5 - Sam Isaacs
  • 2016 US Indoor Champs - 13.5 -Matt Lyons
  • 2016 Stock Wars - 17.5 - Mike Gee
  • 2016 Hudy Indoor Championship - 17.5 - Brad Johnson

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Old 03-26-2020, 01:27 PM
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The top curve is an evo that does great at my local track on the old style pss. The bottom is the new style pss. Should I be looking to get the ride height to be in the flat spot of the lower curve? The green line in the curve is where it should be at ride height. Both cars sit level at about 5.4mm and 300 grams of mass. You can really see what happens from bending the hook when you measure this way. The blue line on the id motor was doing some crazy stuff until i bent it out to try and get it similar to the above evo. It looked more like an s.

some general observations. I can see that a high slope in the beginning make a big difference to how much preload I have to add to balance the car. In some cases I save 2mm of stroke.


When the force starts on these curves I set 0 position. I have figured out how to modify the shape of the curves by bending the eyelet to mimic a known “good” curve or to match left to right. I have a balanced chassis on scales and on balance pegs. The friction in both left and right are the same. One thing I have noticed is that if I synch springs initial and dynamic curve the ride height is slightly off on one side. Ive checked friction and weight several times and the eyelets never hit the hard stop. I have to assume some tolerance is off and im wondering if Oleg has some suggestions. Im wondering if I should shim one side up to the other to retain spring and ride height synchronization. Or maybe the springs just have a .1 lb deviation tolerance.
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Mike Gee held a tech tip video at the Awesomatix USA facebook page. He did a fantastic job, I learned a lot. Amazing that such a young person can be so wise!!!
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Mike Gee held a tech tip video at the Awesomatix USA facebook page. He did a fantastic job, I learned a lot. Amazing that such a young person can be so wise!!!
He is a many time ROAR National Champion...
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Mike Gee held a tech tip video at the Awesomatix USA facebook page. He did a fantastic job, I learned a lot. Amazing that such a young person can be so wise!!!
Thanks! The reason for that is simple, Iíve been running AX continuously since 2013, so I think other than maybe the Danilchicks, I probably have the most experience with the car of anyone in the US Iíve lived through every iteration of the shaft car to the belt car to now the mid motor car. Also Iím 29 so maybe not quite as young as I look. That hat hides my gray hairs

We will have another tech tip session tomorrow afternoon on diffs!
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He is a many time ROAR National Champion...
he's also still the same guy he was long before before awesomatix or national titles, he's worked hard and put in the time to get where he is. I hate it when a few wins changes people and makes their head swell up.
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Racermac73 it's a good thing we didn't become big winners... Our heads would of been HUGE

Hope your staying safe!
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Racermac73 it's a good thing we didn't become big winners... Our heads would of been HUGE

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same to you bud, hopefully you are working from home and staying out of the city.. God might not find that Hefty Jesus stuff as humorous as we do lol
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Iím building a new MMX and donít think i have the front universal right, it can be moved in all directions but thereís a lot of friction at a point. Hard to explained. This is the US version axles. I did it according to the instructions and have the sleeve over it so everything seems to be in its place...any thoughts?? And by the way, the quality of these parts (so far) is amazing!
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Iím building a new MMX and donít think i have the front universal right, it can be moved in all directions but thereís a lot of friction at a point. Hard to explained. This is the US version axles. I did it according to the instructions and have the sleeve over it so everything seems to be in its place...any thoughts?? And by the way, the quality of these parts (so far) is amazing!
I don't think you have both pins seated all the way. The pins should be flush with the outside of the ST-17 Universal Ring.
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Iím building a new MMX and donít think i have the front universal right, it can be moved in all directions but thereís a lot of friction at a point. Hard to explained. This is the US version axles. I did it according to the instructions and have the sleeve over it so everything seems to be in its place...any thoughts?? And by the way, the quality of these parts (so far) is amazing!
Sometimes the driveshafts are tight. You can either try to clean them up with a small drill bit, or just run the car once and it will break in
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Thanks guys, both pins are definitely in the ST17. It seems the tolerance between ST113 ball and ST01 socket is very close.
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Originally Posted by geeunit1014 View Post
Thanks! The reason for that is simple, I’ve been running AX continuously since 2013, so I think other than maybe the Danilchicks, I probably have the most experience with the car of anyone in the US I’ve lived through every iteration of the shaft car to the belt car to now the mid motor car. Also I’m 29 so maybe not quite as young as I look. That hat hides my gray hairs

We will have another tech tip session tomorrow afternoon on diffs!
Mike is a real "ambassador" for Awesomatix. Any day of the week I'd take his results ( Multiple Reedy invites, National Champion, Big race stud, basically ) over owning the car since its inception and every iteration ( +1 ;-) ) thereafter since October 2011 ! I remember finishing the initial build and running down to TimeZone 2 ( Washington State ) for the Xray challenge on grey carpet. I got there for the last chance qualifier, I had maybe one pack of practice and put it third on the grid, I think I finished 2nd or 3rd. Nobody had seen the car so word had come down that I was going be rushing down 150 miles to join the race on mains day, if I finished the build! Everyone was checking out the car that had been anticipated for years! Paul Lemieux was there ( not racing but organizing the event ) he took some laps too, gave it the unofficial thumbs up. The current version is still a marvel of engineering to this day, almost 9 years later, for anyone that is fortunate enough to own one.

Anyway, enough of the nostalgia. It is very cool to see your videos Mike , you make it look easy. Keep em up, we are fortunate you are doing them, and thanks for the shout out to me and my bro.

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Hey Magnet Top
you made a statement about no one ever seen the A700 ...I believe I was the first one on hand of the A700 in the NW
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The pre production car was at iic and other events prior to the official first production car that was shipped in October 2011. Perhaps Oleg may have sold you an early production car, if thatís the case, kudos to you ! :-) I just meant *virtually* nobody had seen the car.

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