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New Parts
  • June 2016: A800-SPR01-98 - The version of SPR01 springs with reduced angle of the tips bending. Recommended for using with new SPR02H3 Shock Rod Guides.
  • June 2016: A800-SPR01S-98 - The version of SPR01S springs with reduced angle of the tips bending. Recommended for using with new SPR02H3 Shock Rod Guides.
  • May / June 2016: A800-AM14A - includes new optional "longer" hole on steering arm
  • May / June 2016: A700-AM14-3 - removes the prior "longer" hole on steering arm
  • May / June 2016: A800-C04AL+0.5 - 0.5mm wider alloy suspension arm
  • May / June 2016: A800-C01B-2.25 - 2.25mm carbon main plate (best suited for asphalt racing)
  • May / June 2016: A800-D2.2 - Dampers that support a thicker SPR02H3
  • May / June 2016: A800-SPR02H3 - Thicker Shock Rod Guides for the D2.2 damper
  • May / June 2016: A800-AT41-2 - Damper vane for the D2.2 damper designed to work w/ SPR02H3
  • May / June 2016: A800-SPR02H - Stronger Shock Rod Guides for the D2.0 and D2.1 damper versions
  • May 2016: A800-AM19-4 - Currently used in the rear of a kit. With AM19-4 the top link effective length is 0,7mm shorter compare to AM19-2. Also with AM19-4 the flex of suspension is smaller ( similar to more stiffer arm and c-hub of normal cars). The screws on dampers are more accessible for adjustment.
  • January 2017 - SPRO2X - new for dampers and do not require a 98 degree bent spring.
  • January 2017 - New A800X and A800XA kits now available featuring 0.3mm longer front and rear wheelbase.
Kit Updates
  • May - Current: Kits now including DT10-2-1 bearing holders for increased side play and durability of the differential and spool.
  • May - July 2016: bearings within kits require oil before use
  • May / June 2016: C01B-AL (Khaki) Chassis with 0.5mm/side wider front arm mounts
  • May / June 2016: 2x ST17-1-S replace ST17 - See page 21 of manual
  • May / June 2016: Updated damper, D2.2, introduced
  • May / June 2016: Thicker Shock Rod Guides for the D2.2 damper included with kits, A800-SPR02H3
  • Jan 2016: GD2 Output Axle (ST31-1) update to use blue foam (P46) instead of set screw (used on each side of Axle after assembly)


Setups
Major Race Wins
  • 2016 Reedy Race of Champions - Modified - Julian Wong
  • 2016 Mile High Championship - 17.5 - Kyle Klingforth
  • 2016 Mile High Championship - 13.5 - Kyle Klingforth
  • 2016 ROAR On-Road Carpet Nationals - 17.5 - Mike Gee
  • 2016 ROAR On-Road Carpet Nationals - 13.5 - Mike Gee
  • 2015/6 ETS Season 9 Round 3 - Xray Pro Stock Division - Tony Streit
  • 2015 US Indoor Champs - 13.5 - Mike Gee
  • 2016 Roar On-Road Asphalt Nationals - 13.5 - Mike Gee
  • 2016 Roar On-Road Asphalt Nationals - 17.5 - Sam Isaacs
  • 2016 International Indoor Championships (IIC) - 17.5 - Mike Gee
  • 2016 Halloween Classic at the Gate - 17.5 - Brad Johnson
  • 2016 US Indoor Champs - 17.5 - Sam Isaacs
  • 2016 US Indoor Champs - 13.5 -Matt Lyons
  • 2016 Stock Wars - 17.5 - Mike Gee
  • 2016 Hudy Indoor Championship - 17.5 - Brad Johnson

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I am seriously thinking about getting this car, to the point that as long as it is in stock before Christmas I will get it. But, I am unsure which carpet version to get. I race on a small technical black carpet layout. We change the layout every month, but it develops quite a bit of traction over that time. On my Xray T4 I run a flex chassis with a 1.6mm top deck as the consensus is we want flex. But with this being a completely different platform, I am not sure if I need to go with the XA or XAH. Also, I have read most of this thread, tons of info here, and I have seen the list of recommended parts to get... But, with as expensive as this car is, I think I need a more streamlined list of spares to pick up. I will be getting the BSR hard front bumper, and I hope that takes care of most of the damage from collisions. I run a hard front bumper on my Xray and I have broke only 1 steering knuckle since buying the car last year. Next, chassis weights, what comes with the kit? I have seen setups using a few of these, so I assume I will need to pick some up. Also, are the helix designs caster doodles and shock/diff tool sufficient enough? Shock springs, I know the kit comes with the regular stiffness springs, do I need to get the soft springs? And finally, shims and ball studs. Does a good enough variety come with the car to setup, or should I be picking up more? I have the standard Xray .5, 1, and 2mm shims, but this car looks like it uses a few odd balls as well.

I am really looking forward to getting the kit, but I do want to be prepared.
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I am seriously thinking about getting this car, to the point that as long as it is in stock before Christmas I will get it. But, I am unsure which carpet version to get. I race on a small technical black carpet layout. We change the layout every month, but it develops quite a bit of traction over that time. On my Xray T4 I run a flex chassis with a 1.6mm top deck as the consensus is we want flex. But with this being a completely different platform, I am not sure if I need to go with the XA or XAH. Also, I have read most of this thread, tons of info here, and I have seen the list of recommended parts to get... But, with as expensive as this car is, I think I need a more streamlined list of spares to pick up. I will be getting the BSR hard front bumper, and I hope that takes care of most of the damage from collisions. I run a hard front bumper on my Xray and I have broke only 1 steering knuckle since buying the car last year. Next, chassis weights, what comes with the kit? I have seen setups using a few of these, so I assume I will need to pick some up. Also, are the helix designs caster doodles and shock/diff tool sufficient enough? Shock springs, I know the kit comes with the regular stiffness springs, do I need to get the soft springs? And finally, shims and ball studs. Does a good enough variety come with the car to setup, or should I be picking up more? I have the standard Xray .5, 1, and 2mm shims, but this car looks like it uses a few odd balls as well.

I am really looking forward to getting the kit, but I do want to be prepared.
What class are you running?

General consensus seems to be
XA - Mod
XAH - Spec classes

The Helix doodles are fine and their diff tool is great. The Evo comes with the 35g center weight. You'll want the soft springs for sure.
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Originally Posted by !Mad Max! View Post
Basically every car gets a bit worse when heat comes up. This is not an Awesomatix thing only, its same for every brand.
This can be easily noticed at tracks which do not have sun on the asphalt in the morning but some sun on it at later time.
Asphalt / Surface temperature is often the biggest change of the handling characteristic of your car.

It's also easy to predict when the track will be the fastest. We call this "Rocket Round" ;-)
At Indoor tracks its always at the end of the day. When many people raced on the Carpet and temperature was good/high inside the building, and you turn off the heating or open windows to cool down the track/air its very very possible the last batteries of the day will be the fastest.

On Asphalt is similar, but depends on the A:Sun B: position of the Track.
If there is sun in the morning to heat up the asphalt and later at the day the sun is away, the track gets faster to the end....

So the issue is not in the Car's. Its more the change of Track Temp. in combination with the tire/rubber.
So how does everybody adapt his setup when heat comes up? Rollcenter? Softer? Camber? Different tyre prep?

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feeler gauges is a must
Are you referring to the damper gauges? Someone else told me they came with the kit, so yes, if they don't. I would need them.

Originally Posted by iTz Nicholas72
What class are you running?
21.5, so looking more to the xah, as I will probably never run mod with it.
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I am seriously thinking about getting this car, to the point that as long as it is in stock before Christmas I will get it. But, I am unsure which carpet version to get. I race on a small technical black carpet layout. We change the layout every month, but it develops quite a bit of traction over that time. On my Xray T4 I run a flex chassis with a 1.6mm top deck as the consensus is we want flex. But with this being a completely different platform, I am not sure if I need to go with the XA or XAH. Also, I have read most of this thread, tons of info here, and I have seen the list of recommended parts to get... But, with as expensive as this car is, I think I need a more streamlined list of spares to pick up. I will be getting the BSR hard front bumper, and I hope that takes care of most of the damage from collisions. I run a hard front bumper on my Xray and I have broke only 1 steering knuckle since buying the car last year. Next, chassis weights, what comes with the kit? I have seen setups using a few of these, so I assume I will need to pick some up. Also, are the helix designs caster doodles and shock/diff tool sufficient enough? Shock springs, I know the kit comes with the regular stiffness springs, do I need to get the soft springs? And finally, shims and ball studs. Does a good enough variety come with the car to setup, or should I be picking up more? I have the standard Xray .5, 1, and 2mm shims, but this car looks like it uses a few odd balls as well.

I am really looking forward to getting the kit, but I do want to be prepared.
I would recommend the XAH kit for carpet. I actually leave most of the screws out of the brace and motor mount so it flexes, but the inherent stiffness and weight of the chassis make it more consistent for black carpet grip.

The kits have 2 10g and 2 5g bolt on weights for the corners, plus the center weight brace. You will definitely want the bsr bumper, not just for crash protection but the extra weight of it is good for black carpet to keep the steering aggression down.

The helix tools are good. You also will want a 2.5mm wide flathead screwdriver for building the front DCJs.

Definitely get the soft springs for carpet.

The kits come with a good amount of 0.5, 1, and 1.75mm shims. You can use whatever shims you have as well
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I would recommend the XAH kit for carpet. I actually leave most of the screws out of the brace and motor mount so it flexes, but the inherent stiffness and weight of the chassis make it more consistent for black carpet grip.

The kits have 2 10g and 2 5g bolt on weights for the corners, plus the center weight brace. You will definitely want the bsr bumper, not just for crash protection but the extra weight of it is good for black carpet to keep the steering aggression down.

The helix tools are good. You also will want a 2.5mm wide flathead screwdriver for building the front DCJs.

Definitely get the soft springs for carpet.

The kits come with a good amount of 0.5, 1, and 1.75mm shims. You can use whatever shims you have as well
Thank you very much.
Can someone verify for me if the damper gauge comes with the kit or not. And, maybe the top priority spares.
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Thank you very much.
Can someone verify for me if the damper gauge comes with the kit or not. And, maybe the top priority spares.
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Yes they come with the new evo kit.
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I do know someone who has XAH Evo kits in stock still.
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I do know someone who has XAH Evo kits in stock still.
Is it the same guy who has all the good stuff in their shop?
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Is it the same guy who has all the good stuff in their shop?
I think it may be!
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I do know someone who has XAH Evo kits in stock still.
I will keep this in mind. But one of the guys I race with is a distributor so I would prefer to order from him, so long as he can get it. Keep it local as best as you can.



EDIT: I was looking through some carpet setups and noticed that some setups were gluing the rear tires. Is that specific to this car? It is the first time I have seen this.

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I will keep this in mind. But one of the guys I race with is a distributor so I would prefer to order from him, so long as he can get it. Keep it local as best as you can.



EDIT: I was looking through some carpet setups and noticed that some setups were gluing the rear tires. Is that specific to this car? It is the first time I have seen this.
I donít know about other cars, but if the grip gets stupid mega high, I find the best solution is glue the rear tires a little. If I try to free the car up with the suspension the feeling becomes inconsistent so it is hard to drive hard. This doesnít happen too often, only at big races at tracks known for having mega grip
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I donít know about other cars, but if the grip gets stupid mega high, I find the best solution is glue the rear tires a little. If I try to free the car up with the suspension the feeling becomes inconsistent so it is hard to drive hard. This doesnít happen too often, only at big races at tracks known for having mega grip
or some high grip club tracks. glued rears are always happening at 360v2
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My A800X drivetrain is not as free as my other belt TC's. Is the pitch/size/shape of the pulleys causing extra drag when belt wraps around it compared to other belt TCs?
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