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Awesomatix A800/A800R

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A800R Released March 23, 2023 with two kit versions, A800RA (alloy) and A800RC (carbon)

Mid Motor Content ---

New Part Releases

January 2020 - A800-AM24-20 Servo Holder - combine servo holder and steering holder to one single part.
February 2020 - A800-ADC Advanced Damper Cup Set - Reduces the amount of rebuild routines. It offers the possibility to A) remove air and B) add oil into the damper without the need of full disassembling
January 2021 - A800-BDL - Body Downtravel Limiter, replaces SPR08
March 2021 - A800-P138LFA - 38T Pully Low Friction - For Gear Diff
March 2021 - A800-P138S-LFA 38T Spool Pulley Low Friction - For Spool
April 2021 - A800-C27MMX - Full Length Top Deck for A800MMX
May 2021 - A800-C01MMA Alloy Chassis - Battery position is shifted to the front to achieve a better overall weight distribution. Removes short arm holes. New narrower shape
September 2021 - A800-C04M1+7.0 Arm - narrows the track width for lower grip levels
October 2021 - AM180EVO Single Bellcrank Steering Update - AM180EVO is a direct replacement for AM180M5

A800MMX and A800MMXA Kit Updates

AM152/AM24-8 is replaced by AM24-20 in this kit (UPDATE 08.03.2021)
P138/P138S is replaced by P138-1/P138S-1 in this kit (UPDATE 25.03.2021)
C01B-X-MMA is replaced by C01MMA in MMXA kit (UPDATE 26.05.2021)
AM180M5 is replaced by AM180EVO in this kit (UPDATE 21.09.2021)

Below OLD Rear Motor Content ---
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A800 Information

New Parts

June 2016: A800-SPR01-98 - The version of SPR01 springs with reduced angle of the tips bending. Recommended for using with new SPR02H3 Shock Rod Guides.
June 2016: A800-SPR01S-98 - The version of SPR01S springs with reduced angle of the tips bending. Recommended for using with new SPR02H3 Shock Rod Guides.
May / June 2016: A800-AM14A - includes new optional "longer" hole on steering arm
May / June 2016: A700-AM14-3 - removes the prior "longer" hole on steering arm
May / June 2016: A800-C04AL+0.5 - 0.5mm wider alloy suspension arm
May / June 2016: A800-C01B-2.25 - 2.25mm carbon main plate (best suited for asphalt racing)
May / June 2016: A800-D2.2 - Dampers that support a thicker SPR02H3
May / June 2016: A800-SPR02H3 - Thicker Shock Rod Guides for the D2.2 damper
May / June 2016: A800-AT41-2 - Damper vane for the D2.2 damper designed to work w/ SPR02H3
May / June 2016: A800-SPR02H - Stronger Shock Rod Guides for the D2.0 and D2.1 damper versions
May 2016: A800-AM19-4 - Currently used in the rear of a kit. With AM19-4 the top link effective length is 0,7mm shorter compare to AM19-2. Also with AM19-4 the flex of suspension is smaller ( similar to more stiffer arm and c-hub of normal cars). The screws on dampers are more accessible for adjustment.
January 2017 - SPRO2X - new for dampers and do not require a 98 degree bent spring.
January 2017 - New A800X and A800XA kits now available featuring 0.3mm longer front and rear wheelbase.

Kit Updates

May - Current: Kits now including DT10-2-1 bearing holders for increased side play and durability of the differential and spool.
May - July 2016: bearings within kits require oil before use
May / June 2016: C01B-AL (Khaki) Chassis with 0.5mm/side wider front arm mounts
May / June 2016: 2x ST17-1-S replace ST17 - See page 21 of manual
May / June 2016: Updated damper, D2.2, introduced
May / June 2016: Thicker Shock Rod Guides for the D2.2 damper included with kits, A800-SPR02H3
Jan 2016: GD2 Output Axle (ST31-1) update to use blue foam (P46) instead of set screw (used on each side of Axle after assembly)

Setups

Major Race Wins

2016 Reedy Race of Champions - Modified - Julian Wong
2016 Mile High Championship - 17.5 - Kyle Klingforth
2016 Mile High Championship - 13.5 - Kyle Klingforth
2016 ROAR On-Road Carpet Nationals - 17.5 - Mike Gee
2016 ROAR On-Road Carpet Nationals - 13.5 - Mike Gee
2015/6 ETS Season 9 Round 3 - Xray Pro Stock Division - Tony Streit
2015 US Indoor Champs - 13.5 - Mike Gee
2016 Roar On-Road Asphalt Nationals - 13.5 - Mike Gee
2016 Roar On-Road Asphalt Nationals - 17.5 - Sam Isaacs
2016 International Indoor Championships (IIC) - 17.5 - Mike Gee
2016 Halloween Classic at the Gate - 17.5 - Brad Johnson
2016 US Indoor Champs - 17.5 - Sam Isaacs
2016 US Indoor Champs - 13.5 -Matt Lyons
2016 Stock Wars - 17.5 - Mike Gee
2016 Hudy Indoor Championship - 17.5 - Brad Johnson

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10-22-2015, 04:23 PM

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Someone posted a video of the car running. If that's so, then why are we just seeing CAD Renderings of the car? Why not photos of the car that was running?

10-22-2015, 04:30 PM

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Quote:

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What is the decision to change the steering rack to a dual bell crank vs the system on the A700?

I'm really curious about this as well; I didn't notice until you mentioned it.

10-22-2015, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WesRaven

I'm really curious about this as well; I didn't notice until you mentioned it.

The original design was done for space constraint reasons only, not for performance reasons.

10-22-2015, 04:41 PM

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The original design was done for space constraint reasons only, not for performance reasons.

But having it not mounted to the chassis would help for tweak, wouldn't it? Where as the new one isn't even down the centreline.

10-22-2015, 08:35 PM

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Does this have a floating servo mount for standard servos or is the only option the $186 dedicated servo?

Thanks,

10-22-2015, 09:08 PM

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Does this have a floating servo mount for standard servos or is the only option the $186 dedicated servo?

Thanks,

It's standard in the evo2, so I would think it would be standard in the a800.

10-22-2015, 09:20 PM

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http://i.imgur.com/nFjSLLH.jpg

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10-22-2015, 10:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by glennhl

Someone posted a video of the car running. If that's so, then why are we just seeing CAD Renderings of the car? Why not photos of the car that was running?

It was a prototype car, not all parts have been anodized, ...
Oleg wants to present pictures of the "final" car, but should not take to much time till you see pictures of the production car.

10-22-2015, 11:13 PM

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Looks like the arms will just about bolt straight over. The shocks may have to fix to the chassis differently, wouldn't think you could use am08-1 over the belt.

Are the arms the same part number? I wonder why the alloy over carbon? Sounds like they use the new am06s-m hubs.

Edit-
What gives it more grip? The motor layout?

The shock holders are new, but you can still use your shocks and springs from the A700.

I don't think it's the motor layout, we also tested this with the shaft car (A700EX) with transverse motor.
The motor layout makes a difference when it comes to weight transfer during acceleration and torque steer (which was quite small since we use brushless motors which have a much smaller rotor than the brushed motors).

There are a lot of details on the new car influencing this, new "flex" of the car with very different bulkhead "stiffness", different topdeck design, new chassis design, bit different weight distribution, ....

kind regards
Marcel

10-22-2015, 11:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Schwarta

Looks like the arms will just about bolt straight over. The shocks may have to fix to the chassis differently, wouldn't think you could use am08-1 over the belt.
Are the arms the same part number? I wonder why the alloy over carbon? Sounds like they use the new am06s-m hubs....

Shock holders are new - AM88L and AM88R items.
Arms are the same part numbers.
Alloy arms are a bit heavier but more reliable at race incidents.
AM06S-M are used for A800.

Quote:

Originally Posted by XCELL

How do you adjust the belt tension and is there going to be a front gear diff available when the kits start shipping?
Patrick

Front diff is the same as rear - GD2B
Conventional plastic eccentric diff holders for both belt tension and differential height adjustment.

Quote:

Originally Posted by daktulos

So Oleg for the aluminum chassis to clear the motor you made a recess the lenght of the battery on both side and for the carbon just a slot on both side?
How thick is both chassis?
What is the decision to change the steering rack to a dual bell crank vs the system on the A700?
Thanks!

Alloy chassis is 2 mm 7075 T6 hard coated alloy with big recess areas.
Carbon chassis is 2,5 mm for quicker steering response.
A dual bell crank system suits this car better.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schwarta

But having it not mounted to the chassis would help for tweak, wouldn't it? Where as the new one isn't even down the centreline.

Bell crank posts are located almost on the line of servo mount. So the tweak between servo and bell cranks is insignificant.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Troy Carter

Does this have a floating servo mount for standard servos or is the only option the $186 dedicated servo?
Thanks,

AM24 servo holder for normal servos is included.

Chassis pictures:

10-22-2015, 11:44 PM

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Shock holders are new - AM88L and AM88R items.
Arms are the same part numbers.
Alloy arms are a bit heavier but more reliable at race incidents.
AM06S-M are used for A800.

Bell crank posts are located almost on the line of servo mount. So the tweak between servo and bell cranks is insignificant.

Chassis pictures:

Thanks Oleg!! Wow, those cutout's on the alloy chassis!! Only 1 position for battery now?

10-23-2015, 12:00 AM

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..I like the idea of tougher arms!

I have 4 bananas!

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10-23-2015, 04:20 AM

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Initial renderings of the car look great. Nice job!! Is this car going to replace the shaft drive cars or just a different flavor for people who prefer belt? I'm thinking about making a change from the orange cars and was thinking getting one of each but don't want to buy a car that is no longer going to be supported or developed.

Thanks,
Chuck