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Old 04-23-2019, 06:03 PM
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StilI I'm not going to agree. There were several manufacturers in this boat. I've been beaten by other brands in all my classes. Equal motors- no such thing. The racers in real racing don't run spec motors do they in Trans Am,F1 and Nascar. We did the one motor manufacturer with brushed motors again they were never equal.
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Old 04-23-2019, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BullFrog
The racers in real racing don't run spec motors do they in Trans Am,F1 and Nascar. We did the one motor manufacturer with brushed motors again they were never equal.
While your sentiment may be correct, your reasoning shows a lack of understanding of what motor limiting is done and where.

Sealed motor racing is some of the more popular club racing out there. Legends use sealed motors. A few of the open wheel cars use sealed, or at least dyned motors. Other classes us a claim rule.

Nascar is effectively limited, so is F1. F1 is via fuel, Nascar by materials science, efi programming, and restrictor plates, depending on the venue. TransAM I can't say much about right now, as i haven't check it closely. But all of the feeder classes for MotoGP, use sealed motors. Many of the feeder classes to nascar, use sealed, or dynoed motors. MotoGP itself, is fuel limited. (Wouldn't that be a fun concept, "fuel" limited r/c cars. Like the old 1200scr 4cell days..)

You're pretending we're not club racing, and we're on the bleeding edge of tech. While "I" will go out there with custom parts on my car, most people don't. Most people aren't in development. What you actually want is sealed motors, dynoed motors,

What you've effectively said, is anyone not running in a development class, is not a real racer. And that's horsehockey.

Just to reiterate, i'm not saying your feeling is necessarily wrong, but your justifcation for it, is based in fantasy. Lets see if we can come up with better justification.

I find the concept of "cheater manufacturers" kinda interesting. When I got into RC, every year there was a next step in stock motors. The mean machine, the green machine, the slot machine, the slot machine 2, (speaking of trinity..) and the other manufacturers did it too. Not that I really cared for reedy or whomever else. This ~should be a thing~ in my opinion. At least in some function. Giving manufacturers a reason to compete, is something to think about.

Am I going to be the cheater when I show up with a pan car that works better than the GenX R/T? Are we going to mandate sliding block front suspensions, or mandate reactive caster type front ends only? Are we going to ban or create rules around ackerman links? This.... ends up going some really nasty places really quickly.
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Old 04-23-2019, 07:21 PM
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I can say this. And I know this to be my own personal experience.

Canam in this class did two things for me.

A. Got me back into racing, and ramped up the learning curve. While making it enjoyable and as time went on allowed me to be respectable and dare I say, competitive.

B. Forced me to work on learning what chassis setup and tuning was, as well as focus on running laps to get better.


I waited till just recently to purchase the hot motor for VTA (the only class we donít run spec motor in locally) I ran used motors from others, and adapted the same philosophy. (Run laps and learn how to tune the car)

heck, I ran oval for the first time ever a few weeks ago, you know what made it enjoyable? Spec motors and rubber tires...

I also agree with the comment about spec motors and gearing allowing time to run multiple classes. Taking that one bit out of the equation letís us do that, and in the end, put more money back into the places we race, and gives me more time on the track.

I haven't been back long enough to comment on the ďunfairĒ motors sold or given to team drivers etc. but I know that would be incredibly discouraging to say the least if I KNEW I was out gunned in that aspect. (I can handle when itís me, and often it is)
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Old 04-24-2019, 04:53 AM
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I will throw one other aspect out there. When we club race we focus more on the fun of racing. There is plenty of bench racing and smack talk and this is how it should be. At our tracks we also help each other out. The goal is to make the racing better and to have more fun doing it. I like to tell my non racing friends that this is my participation hobby and is intended as a mental outlet. Its friends, good times, mental exercise and a competitive outlet all in one. The motor rule gives me just a little more time to spend on the friend side and that is always good. Take it to seriously as an amature driver and you need to think about another hobby.
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Old 04-24-2019, 10:28 AM
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Well said Ron and thanks again on the chassis help hope u enjoy the beers lol. That's alot of the problem is people are forgetting the most important part of this hobby is to have fun. Yes we all want to win but some of us never will and that's were the problem is no one wants to except that part of the equation guess what we have spec motors and the fast guys are still up front. So the view didn't change much did it guys just be happy u are able to race and enjoy your self race on and have fun
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Old 04-24-2019, 03:02 PM
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I'm glad you mentioned Legends. The batteries could be switched and re wrapped. We had one guy that always did it. The motors now can be cranked. As for team guys getting special motors. Not everyone would gets special motors on a team. I get beat by all different brands of motors and even the same brand from another team member. We still have plenty of time for fun and talk between races where its a big race or club race. As for fun yes after all these years I still have fun and I bet more years that you. So do all my friends and we also have time to help and give advice to the new guys and others if asked. If I'm not having fun then I've wasted many years in this hobby.
By having many motors available (25.5-21.5-17.5-13.5-10.5 and others) from what was orginally stock or modified and then 19 turn. We came up with all the classes which has watered down everything. Then you add pan cars and turning cars. There is no easy cure . But makng a spec motor and gear ratio to me is no answer.. We have close racing. By your clubs running Can-am rules you have watered down the class even more to me. Then when you travel someone has to still by a motor and come up with a gear ratio and gears. So what did you gain?
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Originally Posted by BullFrog
I'm glad you mentioned Legends.
https://www.uslegendcars.com/ Legends, not bolink diggers with classy bodies. They use sealed Z1000 motors, or at least they did.

Then you add pan cars and turning cars. There is no easy cure . But makng a spec motor and gear ratio to me is no answer.. We have close racing. By your clubs running Can-am rules you have watered down the class even more to me. Then when you travel someone has to still by a motor and come up with a gear ratio and gears. So what did you gain?
Touring.

A spec motor is A solution. The spec gears is to protect the investment in motors. It may not be "the" solution, but it's in the right direction, usually. Not for all classes. But if we're going to talk classes, this will become a much larger discussion.
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Originally Posted by BullFrog
I'm glad you mentioned Legends. The batteries could be switched and re wrapped. We had one guy that always did it. The motors now can be cranked. As for team guys getting special motors. Not everyone would gets special motors on a team. I get beat by all different brands of motors and even the same brand from another team member. We still have plenty of time for fun and talk between races where its a big race or club race. As for fun yes after all these years I still have fun and I bet more years that you. So do all my friends and we also have time to help and give advice to the new guys and others if asked. If I'm not having fun then I've wasted many years in this hobby.
By having many motors available (25.5-21.5-17.5-13.5-10.5 and others) from what was orginally stock or modified and then 19 turn. We came up with all the classes which has watered down everything. Then you add pan cars and turning cars. There is no easy cure . But makng a spec motor and gear ratio to me is no answer.. We have close racing. By your clubs running Can-am rules you have watered down the class even more to me. Then when you travel someone has to still by a motor and come up with a gear ratio and gears. So what did you gain?
You do make a few valid points. The largest being that can-am isnít widely accepted. Iíve had to shy away from some ďlargerĒ races because I donít have the other motors.
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Old 04-24-2019, 05:57 PM
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Well it all boils down to one thing- ya'll race what you want and we'll race it our way.
By the way the sealed legends motors can be adjusted just like the sealed Tamiya Truck motors. People have been doing that for years.
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Originally Posted by BullFrog
By the way the sealed legends motors can be adjusted just like the sealed Tamiya Truck motors. People have been doing that for years.
Did you miss that I wasn't talking about the bolink cars?
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Old 04-24-2019, 08:44 PM
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No I was talking about the Bolink/RJSpeed motors. Even if I was to mentioned those sealed motors were they all the same - No.
Once a long time ago I ran a region race with brushed motors. I graded all three case of motors. If they got one motor it came from one box. If they got two it came from the other box and 3 motors it came from the third. There was one motor that was way better than the rest and it was not sold. All the motors came from my motor sponsor at the time.This was done so no one could tell me they got a bad motor.2 of the three fastest motors came out of box #1 (the only ones to do 16 laps) all the rest went 15 laps.
going back to WGT-R leave it with 17.5 (any motor) and one cell- That's the way we will race it in Florida or until maybe the rules change?.
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Givin a choice I think I would rather run a Midnight II with 6 cell 2000s over a One cell 17.5.
( or race the modern 2 cell 25.5 or 21.5)
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Originally Posted by eevul
I recently acquired the following two bodies:

#7038 PORSCHE 911 GT1 BODY (200mm)




#7046 MERCEDES-BENZ CLK-GTR BODY (200mm)



I see the Porsche body in the approved list but I don't see the Mercedes CLK-GTR body on there. Would this body still be legal? I wouldn't see why it wouldn't be. The Mercedes body seems to be pretty rare as I can't even find pictures of it on the HPI website.
The Delta Plastik CLK body is on the approved list - https://deltaplastikusa.com/products/0052-clk
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Old 05-01-2019, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by dumper
We will be looking at the new Bitty Body when it is released and we can actually have one in front of us.
Dumper - any update on the Bitty Body?
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He said there's no reason it won't be added to the list. But it won't be added till just before the racing season is the way I took it.
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