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Old 10-28-2005, 09:35 AM   #16
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My TC4 was a grear eating machine. Spur gears and trans gears when I would run a spool. Funny my TC3 I would run spools and never had gear issues. At this point in time the TC4 and JRX-S are getting hammered some because of the race results from the Xray, Corally, and Tamiya right now. They seem to be the hot 3 cars right now.

I think with the success of the TC3 and XXX-S that everyone expects the results to be the same with the new cars but competition wasn't as fierce as it is 3 years later. Lets face it touring is the hardest class to win races as we have so many great cars to chose from.

Some cars no matter how great they work are just not for everyone. We all have our favorites.
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Old 10-28-2005, 10:20 AM   #17
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Well, I guess it is personal preference and of course you're not going to break any parts if you don't hit nothing. But in order to win races you have to finish them and in a durability contest the tc4 will loose. As far as supporting your local economy I agree with you, although I'm not positive A/E parts are mold in the U.S. , as with their Reedy motors and LRP speed controllers.
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Old 10-28-2005, 10:24 AM   #18
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Second I think people are leaning more toward owning cars from European and or Asian companies. It's not fashionable to own an American made car. ."
I think you have summed it up in those 2 sentences better than anyone has done in this whole thread.

It's all a question of fashion. The TC4 in the right hands is still as quick as anything, and I don't race AE myself. I just see reality.
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Old 10-28-2005, 10:27 AM   #19
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I have personally found shaft cars to be better on asphalt then on carpet but i am a bad driver
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I think it might be a "fashion thing" however honestly look at the tc4, it hasnt had the results. The tc3 was a factor at every race it went to in mod and stock, the tc4 hasnt been one yet. Alot of the stock carpet guys used to run tc3's, alot tried tc4's last year in cleveland, then showed up at the novak race with an xray (i did as well after driving one, the thing drives itself. I hadnt been in a B main in stock sedan until i got my xray, i ended up bq'ing and winning the b main by half a lap at the novak race in stock foam).

For me I could care less if the car is fashionable or not, I care that it works. While the FK05 isnt the easiest car to work on (taking out the diff takes a few minutes longer than a tc3, but it isnt really that bad), it is defently faster than the tc4 on the track. (btw IMO, the fk04 is the best car, second to the worlds car that was never released, by xray, espically in stock and 19t or at least in stock and 19t foam)

The losi has shown itself to do pretty well at some races (cleveland last year) on carpet, however without a large stock team like xray or corrally it is underrepresnted in some areas.
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Everyone has such a hard time believing that some cars just don't work as well as others. If Blackstock or Barry can't win with it with Foams on Carpet then there maybe something to the whole "better cars" thing. It's proven itself on asphalt, and has done well on carpet with rubber tires, but it's not shown much on foamies. We'll see what the Halloween Classic and US Indoor Champs hold for the car. We all might change our opinions then......
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I think you have summed it up in those 2 sentences better than anyone has done in this whole thread.

It's all a question of fashion. The TC4 in the right hands is still as quick as anything, and I don't race AE myself. I just see reality.
you dudes that buy a car based on fashion should be sent to.........DETROIT!
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Old 10-28-2005, 10:49 AM   #23
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you dudes that buy a car based on fashion should be sent to.........DETROIT!
They'd have to be sent there, because nobody puts fashion and American cars in the same sentence.
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Old 10-28-2005, 10:59 AM   #24
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I think it's a 'fashion' thing as much as anything. Ever since AE brought out the first TC4 with its tub chassis, so many people on this forum (and I assume this reflects what many Americans feel) have ripped apart the reputation the company had. The TC4 was, and is a good car; but mainly because it looked like the TC3 and had a tub chassis it was seen upon as worthless. It didn't look like a big move forwards. Other companies were moving to a carbon fibre chassis and anodized aluminium look.

Here in Britain, I don't think people feel so badly against Associated as they do over your way. It seems to me that many Americans feel let down by the company, and are showing it by acting with 'hatred and animosity' as Soviet put it.

In my opinion the TC4 FT looks to be highly competetive. In fact, I was a bit miffed to see the way some people have reacted to the car as I'm intending to buy one for christmas.

Hopefully it wont be long before the FT puts the critics to shame.

P.S anyone read the pro4 hara vs TC4 FT review in December RCCA yet? we don't get the magazine till a bit later in the UK and I'd be interested to know what the overall verdict was.
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I think it's a 'fashion' thing as much as anything. Ever since AE brought out the first TC4 with its tub chassis, so many people on this forum (and I assume this reflects what many Americans feel) have ripped apart the reputation the company had. The TC4 was, and is a good car; but mainly because it looked like the TC3 and had a tub chassis it was seen upon as worthless. It didn't look like a big move forwards. Other companies were moving to a carbon fibre chassis and anodized aluminium look.

Here in Britain, I don't think people feel so badly against Associated as they do over your way. It seems to me that many Americans feel let down by the company, and are showing it by acting with 'hatred and animosity' as Soviet put it.

In my opinion the TC4 FT looks to be highly competetive. In fact, I was a bit miffed to see the way some people have reacted to the car as I'm intending to buy one for christmas.

Hopefully it wont be long before the FT puts the critics to shame.

P.S anyone read the pro4 hara vs TC4 FT review in December RCCA yet? we don't get the magazine till a bit later in the UK and I'd be interested to know what the overall verdict was.
It was classic RCCA you can't go wrong with either but did say the TC4 got the nod for being more readily adaptable for indoor or outdoor racing out of the box, and was cheaper to buy.
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I did, I regret purchasing it and feel lucky I got what I did for it.
I felt the same.. and the guy i sold it to will probably kick my ass with it.. I tried the TC4 on carpet and for me the car sucked,no other words explain it better.I was getting beat by guys that i used to lap.. I started running a BMI Pro4 and was winning..again.so i know it was not a shaft drive problem.The TC4 does not have the steering that i need/want.On top of that it seems to scrub alot of speed in the corners no matter if i was running a spool or a diff or a oneway.I had to check tweak after every run(if you race carpet you should do this on any car anyways)I have run a FTTC4(a friends) and still felt it could use more steering,I think i could have gotten more steering out of the car through a different set up but the car was not mine.This weekend I'm going to try a belt car on the carpet and see how much difference their is.In the stock class i still think a shaft drive car is the way to go.With that said I dont think the TC4's tub chassis works very well on carpet.The FTTC4 should cure this.I also think Jon's right on the money about the "cool car" ..I was just suprised that their were not more sheep for the FTTC4..Baaaaah Baaaaah..
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It was classic RCCA you can't go wrong with either but did say the TC4 got the nod for being more readily adaptable for indoor or outdoor racing out of the box, and was cheaper to buy.
Thanks. I expected something to this effect, and at least it saves me a bit extra forking out for the pro4 hara. The RC car magazines (British and American) I know very rarely have anything against a car.
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So, in other words the tc4 is a good car for the money but in order to be at the highest level you have to buy aftermarket parts (bmi, ect) bringing the cost even higher if you would had bought a HPI,XRAY,Corally RDX,Yokomo,Tamiya ect. at first. Not very good economics there
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economics... not totally sure about that...guys at our place who are running the fk05 also had to buy the 3.0mm chassis on top of the kit they just bought... and extra 65ish. I would imagine if you purchased a BMI and a Tc4 or even a FTtc4 your almost at the same $ amount as the xray +3mm chassis. I know they are shipping "SOME" of the fk05's now with the 3mm chassis, but according to rcamerica they are doing that to make up for lack of CF at the manufacturing level. (If I read that right on their (rcamerica) site. There are other upgrades that people are buying for each car including battery braces, different top plates etc. I think no matter what.... your gonna spend a "mint" for a new car. I have the same delima about purchasing a new car. I currently have a BMI tc3 and it runs pretty well. Unfortunately, there's a guy at our club that puts the smack down and laps the rest of us by 2 laps. I'm struggeling as to purchase an xray or TC4. Only problem I have is cost/parts for an X-ray over TC4 are a little more. Am I gonna be able to make up (2) laps...probabaly not.
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