Jah2000

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I like to do both drift and also high-speed grip driving. But, I'm on a budget and can only afford, and prefer, 1 car.

In the future (after I get much better at 50/50 drift), I'd like to experiment with CS drive ratios for drift. Maybe a CS ratio of around 1.7 (70%) to 2.5 (150%).

I was wondering if it is still possible to do high speed grip driving/racing with CS ratios/setups?? (1.7:1 - 2.5:1), by slapping on some sticky slicks and doing some quick adjustments/alignments (for grip racing).

I know there are RWD grip race cars out there (like Tamiya's F1/Indy/GT cars). So, wouldn't this be possible with some slicks and grip-spec alignment settings?

I'm sure changing all the gears(from a CS'ed setup) back to 50/50, would probably be the best and most ideal to make it grip-worthy again..but that would be a Big hassle and a lot of work/time, just to switch back-and-forth between the 2 driving-styles occasionally. But, Slick tire and alignment changes are realistic, quick and actually feasible though.

What do you think? How will a CS setup car (1.7-2.2 CS ratio) with slick tires and grip alignment settings react for racing and high-speed grip driving?

Will it be out of control, way too much oversteer and twitchy, and uncontrollable?

It can't be That bad, can it?

I mean...there's still RWD F1/GP/GT/Indy cars being used for high-speed grip... right?

Anyone here with a rear-bias drive-ratio (similar to that of CS ratios), using it for high-speed grip racing/driving??? Is this common, or uncommon?

hyujmn

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I know the old Losi's used to be able to change ratios for overdrive, but it was usually only going from 40t pulley to a 41t pulley, not drastic changes like countersteering.

I don't think it'd work all that well, personally.

Lone Drifter

The Car cannot do both.
Even if you make the CS car 50/50 the drift car setup will not work well .
I assume that your CS car has a spool in the rear and a One-way in the front The way the weight is distributed you could never even use the Brakes.
If you used a CS car with any rear overdrive and Racing tires the Car would just do donuts and tear itself to pieces.

SagadSetup

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Hi!

There could be additional info found here:

http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric...ip-racing.html

Regards!

patorz31

In short it can and has been done.

http://www.rctech.net/forum/10075530-post45.html


But I think you would have to swap around a lot of parts to make it work and have driving skills of Atsushi Hara.

SagadSetup

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Thank you sir!

Lone Drifter

Give it a try .
You will spend a lot time and money on parts converting the CS car needlessly. The Converted car will never run as well as a Xray T4-15 , Tc6.2 or Even a Tc3.
I would be interested in hearing what happens .

Jah2000

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Cool...thanks for the links. I'll have a read at them.

hyujmn

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Yeah, I remember Hara driving the TC-FD a few years back and winning that race. However, I wonder if his was full blown drift, modded for CS and everything. I don't know what a stock TC-FD is set up to run.

Jah2000

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Oh yeah...forgot to mention, I was Not talking about for one of those out-of-the-box "drift cars."

I was more talking about, already having a normal grip TC (TRF-415/416/417, TA05/6, etc.), but has a CS drift ratio and very mild drift mods/alignment-settings ...then using it occasionally for both drift and grip(as it was meant to be, haha). So, I think it would be easier, possibly...since it is already a grip car to begin with..ya?

I won't be setting it with crazy drift settings with a bunch of front bias weight and oversteer. Just mild drift settings... CS overdrive ratio, maybe even just only a tightened rear diff/LSD, front one-way, spring-rates/sways/camber/toe not too different than grip-settings, and not setup for crazy drift/front bias, etc.

Mainly... I just want to hear opinions about the overdrive-ratios (1.7-2.5:1), and if those ratios can do grip racing.

Wouldn't it be better/easier than say a full-RWD F1/GT/Indy car? At least the CS overdriven cars still have some front drive.

SagadSetup

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Maybe this car?

http://blog.rcmart.com/rc-3racing-sa...d-coming-soon/

http://www.asiatees.com/article?id=1912

patorz31

In grip racing the only time I have ever heard of over driving an end it was always the front. But the was years ago guys were doing that.

Jah2000

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I guess another option would be: Leave all the gears 50/50 for grip.. then for drift remove the front-belt or cvd's. But, it would undoubtedly be extremely harder to drift pure Rwd (unless getting a gyro).

I think this would probably be the best option because it wouldn't compromise that 50/50 for grip racing time.

robk

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The Losi guys sometimes did it for foam tires on carpet.

Jah2000

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Don't some people use a front one-way for Grip racing too? I thought they did.