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Old 10-19-2005, 09:03 AM   #1
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Default Is the TC3/4 all its cracked up to be?

I have a TC3 and a TC4. It seems to me that there is so much play on the suspension arms that there's no real point in using a set up station!!!

Is it just me or is this a common issue? I also find the suspension arms are very fragile, breaking at the slightest knock....

Have just ordered a T1R Xray, after looking very carefully are several xrays, they seem so much better engineered......

Be interested in your views people......
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Old 10-19-2005, 09:12 AM   #2
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I find my TC4 to be superior to any XRay I've ever owned in every aspect except weight. To remove some of the slop I'd reccomend the RPM ballcups. They work very well. If your having trouble with steering slop even with the RPM's try the 3Racing steering rack. The ballstuds come loose rather than wearing out the rack. I always go in and tighten all the ballstuds up after a raceday. Also keep checking your servo horn screw, mine comes loose often which can be a source of slop as well.

I don't think you should have gotten the XRay but good luck with whatever you drive bro
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Old 10-19-2005, 09:21 AM   #3
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Its more on the suspension arms, the TC4 seems worse thatn the TC3, I think it may be the swivel bushes in the support arms?

Oh well I am committed to the T1R now, but will be keeping the TC3 and 4 so we'll see how it goes. I have a 3racing SSG chassis for the TC4 cant decide whether to use it tho.

Thanks for your good wishes....
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Old 10-19-2005, 09:34 AM   #4
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[QUOTE=BlackKat]I find my TC4 to be superior to any XRay I've ever owned in every aspect except weight.[QUOTE]
Come on man.
Anyone who has worked with any Hudy products especially the cars, know that there is not a higher quality piece on the market, and part fit is second to none. AND they have the cleverest ways of combining aluminum and composite parts that work together seamlessly.
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Old 10-19-2005, 09:37 AM   #5
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I love my FK05. The fit, finish and quality of parts far exceed that of any other car I've owned.
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[QUOTE=G-Dizzle][QUOTE=BlackKat]I find my TC4 to be superior to any XRay I've ever owned in every aspect except weight.
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Come on man.
Anyone who has worked with any Hudy products especially the cars, know that there is not a higher quality piece on the market, and part fit is second to none. AND they have the cleverest ways of combining aluminum and composite parts that work together seamlessly.
That doesn't make it a better car does it? I would think not.

P.S. My RDX went together much nicer than my FKO5.
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Old 10-19-2005, 09:52 AM   #7
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"That doesn't make it a better car does it? I would think not.
Well I think thats the real question. The xray seems far more precisely engineered, but as has been asked does it make it any better?

Does the slop in the suspension/steering really make any diference?
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[HTML]Does the slop in the suspension/steering really make any diference?
Who knows? I suppose the wobbling and vibration may impede speed, but to what degree?

As for the suspension arm spacers, I use Associated's Nylon Spacers, which are slightly thicker than the stock spacers and fill in the slop quite nicely.
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Old 10-19-2005, 10:31 AM   #9
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"That doesn't make it a better car does it? I would think not.
Well I think thats the real question. The xray seems far more precisely engineered, but as has been asked does it make it any better?

Does the slop in the suspension/steering really make any diference?
I haven't noticed that the slop made any difference on the track. I have been running a TC3 for a while now and I used Tamiya shims to take out the slop and it did nothing. I have removed the shims and it still runs like a champ.

The car seems to tighten up under aceleration and load and never wanders around.

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Old 10-19-2005, 10:38 AM   #10
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I own 3 tc3s and 2 xray's. There are two big differences.

1. the quality of the xray is far superior to TC3. (Xray does not have toe bocks with different toe setting and bs logic on associated web site because associated is to cheap to replace bad molds. TC3 supporters don't even try to argue that tc3 are higher quality than an Xray unless you want your sanity to be called into question) lol

2. Xray handles better day in and day out. This is the biggie. Look at all of the set up sheets and questions about set up on the internet. If you want to race, you wants to go faster and faster, You need a car that handles. Every car other than TC3 handles very well. I think that you will be very happy with the quality of the xray after working on the toy like plastic TC3 (SPRING steel and carbon fibre on the xray).

The T1R is the more affordable Xray. you can always upgrade to the T1evo2.

The biggest problem with running an Xray is buying parts, but that seems to have changed as many lhs no carry parts.

Just my 2 cents worth
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I have had a TC3/TC4,I to had "noticed" the slop that you speak of.. I put shims and tightened everything up and in my opinion I made it worse.. The TC4 did not seem to handle as well and drifted around a bit on the straights with all the slop taken out.. I put the car back "the way it came" and it worked just fine.I have a Pro4 right now and it has more play in the arms than what a TC4 does.I still have an Xray(04FK)best i ever did with that car was mid pack finishes,TQ and win with the TC4 and Pro4.. The Xray might be a better built/tighter car but it's no faster than the slop buckets..
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Old 10-19-2005, 10:50 AM   #12
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Charles you have confirmed my feelings on the AE versus the xray, an engineered car against a comparatively poorly enginerred one that happens to work quite well despite its poor materials and parts quality.

We are lucky in the UK we have www.teamxray.co.uk who specialise in only xray spares, so spares are easy to get (a major advantage in my view)

You may have seen I have an unused SSG chassis? my thinking is why bother with a top chassis when the rest of the car (especially the suspension) is so sloppy...........
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i have built and raced cars from, associated, xray, losi, schumacher, gm and hpi when it comes to touring, and i would say when it comes to quality and parts fit, xray is superior. but when i comes to handling almost all cars is capable to even in the laptimes. and speaking of sloop in the suspension and all that, it can be fixed on all cars, but a xray is perfect from the box, if anyone is saying any other then that person have never built a xray car before..
i personally love the tc3/4. but they can never beat xray in quality..

my 2 cents..
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i have built and raced cars from, associated, xray, losi, schumacher, gm and hpi when it comes to touring, and i would say when it comes to quality and parts fit, xray is superior. but when i comes to handling almost all cars is capable to even in the laptimes. and speaking of sloop in the suspension and all that, it can be fixed on all cars, but a xray is perfect from the box, if anyone is saying any other then that person have never built a xray car before..
i personally love the tc3/4. but they can never beat xray in quality..

my 2 cents..

"Quality" is a subjective term.

The parts and fit of an Associated kit are generally exceptional. Folks forget that these are MODELS. As models, they require some MODELING skills to assemble perfectly.

The Xray is simply engineered to a point that a person needs only to slap one together. No skill required. It's price reflects that philosophy in spades.
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Old 10-19-2005, 08:33 PM   #15
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I had a TC3 several years ago and thought it was a great car. It had its quirks, but it was a fun car to work on and do all the mods (moving the cells in, rolling the sides of the chassis, etc). When the TC4 first came out, I bought one and was sorely dissapoined. The parts quality on the TC3 had never been exceptional, but the TC4 seemed to be a step in the wrong direction.

Within a month or two I sold the car and bought an Xray T1 FK. The different was very noticeable. Not only was the car easier to assmeble, the added precision of the parts was easily seen on the track. The car responded much better to adjustments.

AE seems to have caught on, and the TC4 FT looks to be a step in the right direction.

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