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Old 10-15-2005, 06:44 PM   #1
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Man, with these new batteries pumping out the voltage and runtime of 470+. Has any local tracks extended there race lengths any. Back in the day it used to be 4 minute races. I understand that wouldn't happen at a big race. Tooo many people to get through in a day. But just wondering locally if tracks have played around with this option.
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I personally think there should just be a cell limit (say 3300's) and then have endurance races for bigger cells....but being able to switch out batteries (maybe a 20 minute race?) that would be pretty cool.

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My local track runs 6 min. heats/mains.
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Talking We extend lengths

Our track runs 10 minute mains for offroad. I have won it several times running a 19turn and 2 year old 3300s.
These guys push the limits though.
Many run lipos and brushless systems.
It is very fun to watch areal racer come in there and fall apart after 5 or 6 min of driving.
I drive a lot of gas truck so I'm used to the long mains.
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Old 10-15-2005, 09:38 PM   #5
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I was figuring that there were some tracks around that were taking advantage of the new cells that our coming out.
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I have enjoyed racing without dumping since the 2400/3000's came out. I do not want to return to the days before the 2400s where you had to sacrifice performance to make run time!

The race lenghts are perfect the way they are. Perhaps 1 extra minute at the most. I like having nearly the same power start to finish! We sprint race in electric it will never be like nitro racing.

Adding to much race time will make run time an issue, i would rather fight the voltage wars than fight the run time wars. Rather be a bit slower and finish racers than not.

Right now joe budget racer can run his stick packs and finish races just like joe sponsored racer. IT was not that way back in the days before 2400s
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Longer races = increase cost. One thing we don't need in this hobby is costs increased.
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Longer races = increase cost. One thing we don't need in this hobby is costs increased.
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I don't think you could really feel the differences in the costs if they added 1 minute. On a club night that would be 4 minutes more of RACING (20% more). Thats why we go there. .
We have some real racers on our track and they always refuse to run longer because they are preparing for national events with 5 minutes runs.
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I don't think you could really feel the differences in the costs if they added 1 minute. On a club night that would be 4 minutes more of RACING (20% more). Thats why we go there. .
We have some real racers on our track and they always refuse to run longer because they are preparing for national events with 5 minutes runs.
Then call them what they are:


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I don't think you could really feel the differences in the costs if they added 1 minute. On a club night that would be 4 minutes more of RACING (20% more). Thats why we go there. .
We have some real racers on our track and they always refuse to run longer because they are preparing for national events with 5 minutes runs.
Longer runs would mean you go through motors faster, urge people to move up from their less than 6 months old 3300's to 3700's, and obviously go through tires faster. 4 minutes may not seem like a lot but that is almost 1 more run per night. As I said costs are already out of control and unless we get them under control the hobby will have a difficult time growing.
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I guess that it really depends on how many people wants to extend the level of running at club races.

If the majority don't mind an increase in race time then I think if the minority stills wants to race,they have to go with the flow.

Guys,Majority power....
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While the majority does equal power, the majority needs to be very careful of what they do with that power if they want what is best for the hobby. The absolute best thing for the hobby is MORE people. As the costs continue to increase the number of people who are willing to pay the costs necessary to be competitive decreases. The higher the bar is raised the fewer the people who can jump over it.
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While the majority does equal power, the majority needs to be very careful of what they do with that power if they want what is best for the hobby. The absolute best thing for the hobby is MORE people. As the costs continue to increase the number of people who are willing to pay the costs necessary to be competitive decreases. The higher the bar is raised the fewer the people who can jump over it.
1/12th doesn't have a problem running 8 mins. I fail to see why we couldn't do the same with our TCs.

We could drop down to 5 cells or even 4. That would reduce wear and tear. Throw in lower wind motors to compensate for the loss of voltage and VIOLA!!!

Instant solution.

The problem is that no-one seems to like thinking out of the box, or more to the point; those who do get instantly torn-apart by lovers of the status-quo.

Future classes:

TC "Stock" , 8 mins, 4 cells, 19T

TC "Mod" , 8 mins, 4 cells, unlimited motor

Also...folks need to quit complaining about the "time crunch." I'm sure any club could get the heats in, even with 8 min rounds and mains.
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IMO. The actual costs are less per minute if we run longer races. You don't change tires or brushes in the middle of the main. The actual costs should remain nearly the same. You're not buying new 4-500$ car, 200$ ESC, 150$ servo or 3-500$ radio because of couple of extra minutes per main (USA prices, rest of the world pays more). Traveling costs the same. Motors and batteries are actually very small part of racing costs. Longer run times might get some to gear reasonably and not cook their motors in couple of runs.

Runtime is dependant on the driver actually knowing how to drive. Drivers who drive smoothly always run longer than the throttle "jerks".

12 minutes for 1/12.

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