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Old 02-12-2015, 12:37 PM   #61
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Really? I find that to be the easiest part of nitro. To me nitro setups are harder than electric because you're dealing with much more power.
Perhaps you misunderstood me. I'm stating nitro is harder!
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Let's talk....would you pay another racer to build or set up your car?

I was discussing this with a friend and he was totally against it. I told him that I had given a local fast guy/ younger kid who was short on money, some money to help get my car in shape. At the time I didn't own a setup board, nor did I fully understand the dynamics of the car.

I'm a 40 yo father of 3 with a busy schedule and not a lot of time to tinker. I gave him my car....he "fixed" it and I gained better control and a lap or two. He gave me a setup sheet and a better understanding. Am I alone? Let's hear it.
Personally, I wouldn't do it. I enjoy building and adjusting my car too much. I can totally see why some would though.
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I know people love to build their own cars (me too), but running a properly built car is an important factor. It is rare that I pickup a car at the track that does not need hours worth of work to get right. Now I am not just talking about setup. I am mostly taking about build quality, part freeness, sway bar adjustment, shocks...the list goes on and on. Just because you like to build your own car does not mean it is built properly. This unlike setup is not up to much debate. Building your shocks like a bone head is not a tuning adjustment . The designer of the car assumes you know what you are doing and how to build the parts properly from the start.

If you ever have a chance pick up a car that Umino (Ronald Volker's Mechanic and designer of the BD7) has built and pay close attention to the build quality you will begin to understand what I mean. Everything has the right amount of play, shocks move uber freely, Arms are not bound up, Sway bars are setup properly, arms are flat and without tweak, chassis has been prepared properly, and so on.

I guarantee that if you build your car properly and maintain it to that level that the consistency of the car on the track with go up significantly. At the end of the day we can all improve in this area every time we are at the track or wrenching in general.

At the end of the day their could be quite a bit of value in having someone that honestly knows how to properly build a car involved in your build process...even of it is just to review your work afterwards. It is not for everyone but I think most people would benefit from an informed outside opinion.
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I know people love to build their own cars (me too), but running a properly built car is an important factor. It is rare that I pickup a car at the track that does not need hours worth of work to get right. Now I am not just talking about setup. I am mostly taking about build quality, part freeness, sway bar adjustment, shocks...the list goes on and on. Just because you like to build your own car does not mean it is built properly. This unlike setup is not up to much debate. Building your shocks like a bone head is not a tuning adjustment . The designer of the car assumes you know what you are doing and how to build the parts properly from the start.

If you ever have a chance pick up a car that Umino (Ronald Volker's Mechanic and designer of the BD7) has built and pay close attention to the build quality you will begin to understand what I mean. Everything has the right amount of play, shocks move uber freely, Arms are not bound up, Sway bars are setup properly, arms are flat and without tweak, chassis has been prepared properly, and so on.

I guarantee that if you build your car properly and maintain it to that level that the consistency of the car on the track with go up significantly. At the end of the day we can all improve in this area every time we are at the track or wrenching in general.

At the end of the day their could be quite a bit of value in having someone that honestly knows how to properly build a car involved in your build process...even of it is just to review your work afterwards. It is not for everyone but I think most people would benefit from an informed outside opinion.
Let's be real, no club racer needs a car with that level of finesse anyway. Volker does.
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Perhaps you misunderstood me. I'm stating nitro is harder!
No it's the way I wrote that. Engine tuning and clutch setup I find relatively easy. But car setup is a little different. I think you were saying engine tuning you find harder.
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Though I agree with you, getting people on the track and paying race fees regularly is what matters most.for clubs with declining usership, rtfm is not the message to send ha.
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Id pay someone for sure. Usually I find someone who buys a car and sells it in first couple weeks because they dont like it. Then I get discount off kit plus they built it for me.
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Let's be real, no club racer needs a car with that level of finesse anyway. Volker does.
Let's be real, I am confident Volker would have more skill to be able to drive around a poorly built car.

If you think this kind of stuff doesn't matter at every level of racing, there is a reason why you are off-pace.
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Let's be real, no club racer needs a car with that level of finesse anyway. Volker does.
I disagree. It makes a bigger difference to the club racer IMO. The club racer may see 1-2 sec a lap improvement just from having a properly working car.

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Let's be real, I am confident Volker would have more skill to be able to drive around a poorly built car.

If you think this kind of stuff doesn't matter at every level of racing, there is a reason why you are off-pace.
I agree.

I've taken several peoples cars home after a race weekend. Brought it back to them the next race weekend and had them go from the back of the B to the middle of the A. I don't know any magic setup secrets. I'm not even that good at tuning. But I'm very anal about build quality and making sure everything is even/equal side to side and operating correctly. They think I have performed some magic. Nope. I just gave them a properly operating car. A car that doesn't do funny stuff is much easier to drive.
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Hands on learning works best for me. I would pay to sit down with someone and be able to ask questions and such. If I just gave my car to someone, got it back and drove it I don't feel it would be worth it.

I can definitely see where this would be helpful for some people though.
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I disagree. It makes a bigger difference to the club racer IMO. The club racer may see 1-2 sec a lap improvement just from having a properly working car.


I agree.

I've taken several peoples cars home after a race weekend. Brought it back to them the next race weekend and had them go from the back of the B to the middle of the A. I don't know any magic setup secrets. I'm not even that good at tuning. But I'm very anal about build quality and making sure everything is even/equal side to side and operating correctly. They think I have performed some magic. Nope. I just gave them a properly operating car. A car that doesn't do funny stuff is much easier to drive.
This is the same scenario I was referring to. The guy didn't do voodoo. He was able to identify common mistakes made by a novice and corrected them.
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Let's talk....would you pay another racer to build or set up your car?

I was discussing this with a friend and he was totally against it. I told him that I had given a local fast guy/ younger kid who was short on money, some money to help get my car in shape. At the time I didn't own a setup board, nor did I fully understand the dynamics of the car.

I'm a 40 yo father of 3 with a busy schedule and not a lot of time to tinker. I gave him my car....he "fixed" it and I gained better control and a lap or two. He gave me a setup sheet and a better understanding. Am I alone? Let's hear it.
I wouldn't because of my own personal experiences. I gave my neighbors roommate a hpi nitro drift car to tune/break in a brand new motor and he ended up moving out the next week and I never got my car back. I would pay someone to HELP me and GUIDE me so that I can gain the knowledge myself.
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So it seems I'm not alone. Great comments!
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