Go Back  R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Electric On-Road
Brushless Motor Phases Important To A Motors Performance? >

Brushless Motor Phases Important To A Motors Performance?

Community
Wiki Posts
Search

Brushless Motor Phases Important To A Motors Performance?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11-24-2014, 07:18 PM
  #1  
Tech Elite
Thread Starter
iTrader: (8)
 
EDWARD2003's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Posts: 2,200
Trader Rating: 8 (100%+)
Default Brushless Motor Phases Important To A Motors Performance?

I recently picked up a motor checker and checked my brushless motors. At hand I have a batch of 21.5's such as; D3.5, MMM, R1, Tekin, G-Style, and Orca. I did some timing tests for these motors and came across some motors with A B C phases that were out by only a 1 or 2 degrees. However, I had some motor phases out by 10+ degrees.

For example I've tested a motor with A 23* B 39* C 42*. As you can see there is a big variance in timing at each phase.

Now, does this matter in the motors overall performance?

Last edited by EDWARD2003; 11-24-2014 at 08:00 PM.
EDWARD2003 is offline  
Old 11-24-2014, 08:02 PM
  #2  
Tech Elite
iTrader: (2)
 
DesertRat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Sniffin the 'Sauce Fumes
Posts: 4,099
Trader Rating: 2 (100%+)
Default

The short answer is yes, the difference in timing between phases will affect things like free-spinning RPM and amp draw, which translates into the power band on the track. You want all of the phases to be the same timing.
DesertRat is offline  
Old 11-24-2014, 08:12 PM
  #3  
Tech Elite
Thread Starter
iTrader: (8)
 
EDWARD2003's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Posts: 2,200
Trader Rating: 8 (100%+)
Default

Thanks. So if the hall effect sensors spacing is not 120* from A to B to C. Then how is the motor going to effectively detect the proper rotor position? Then how is the motor going to apply proper positive and negative torque?
EDWARD2003 is offline  
Old 11-24-2014, 08:32 PM
  #4  
Tech Elite
Thread Starter
iTrader: (8)
 
EDWARD2003's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Posts: 2,200
Trader Rating: 8 (100%+)
Default

I did a test on a Team Powers Actinium 21.5 and it was by far the best motor. The phases were A51* B51* C50*. Cant get any better than that. Interestingly, the motor was very smooth and quiet.

Motors with greater variances in timing between phases sounded rougher and louder.
EDWARD2003 is offline  
Old 11-25-2014, 01:13 AM
  #5  
Tech Lord
 
Roelof's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Holland
Posts: 12,327
Default

So it is time the next generation ESC's do detect the timing of the sensors and put those parameters into the program for an optimised control.
Roelof is offline  
Old 11-25-2014, 03:35 AM
  #6  
Tech Master
 
Essnowyt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Somewhere Strange Wisconsin!
Posts: 1,676
Default

delete.

Last edited by Essnowyt; 11-25-2014 at 03:40 AM. Reason: delete.
Essnowyt is offline  

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.