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Old 09-11-2014, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Salkin View Post
Just ordered 3 pairs
From where?

I've ordered from places that say they have stock to only get the dreaded "dear john" email a day or so later before
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Old 09-11-2014, 04:12 PM
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The 'silvers' have been black for years. You want the black ones as they are the ones people use and will be the ones referred to on the setting sheets.
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Different how? I've heard this stated many times, but without evidence or details.
they are BLACK!
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they are BLACK!
Yes, Jay. Thanks for the insightful comment. :-) In the immortal words of B&B, "you're a buttmunch".
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Originally Posted by erchn View Post
Different how? I've heard this stated many times, but without evidence or details.
The owner of a Japanese RC blog that I frequent knows Groskamp and TRF mechanic Kiyo personally, and according to them, the old silver spring and the new black ones are not the same. He was a skeptic at the time too, so he tested two setups on a car with the only difference being the two HPI springs. The car handled clearly different. Not saying that the old silver is better in every way, but if you are trying to mimic a setup, especially one from a TRF car, you need that spring.

Perhaps the fact that the old silver was softer than the package rating from RSD's testing and the new black one being accurate(maybe?) is part of where the difference is coming from.
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I found one place through google. Problem is their cheapest shipping option was $12 to Ca. what a joke, no thanks.
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Originally Posted by inpuressa View Post
The owner of a Japanese RC blog that I frequent knows Groskamp and TRF mechanic Kiyo personally, and according to them, the old silver spring and the new black ones are not the same. He was a skeptic at the time too, so he tested two setups on a car with the only difference being the two HPI springs. The car handled clearly different. Not saying that the old silver is better in every way, but if you are trying to mimic a setup, especially one from a TRF car, you need that spring.

Perhaps the fact that the old silver was softer than the package rating from RSD's testing and the new black one being accurate(maybe?) is part of where the difference is coming from.
Thanks for the detail. Two comments -
1) The cars these days are much lighter than they were when HPI started selling those springs, and as such won't have the same handling characteristics.
2) People that own those springs have been racing for quite a while, and to be able to tell the difference on the track have raced them quite a bit. I therefore contend that they are softer, more broke in, than they originally were 10-ish years ago.

All that said, I wish I had an old set.
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Are Hpi silvers for asphalt or carpet or both?
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Originally Posted by hanzo3 View Post
Are Hpi silvers for asphalt or carpet or both?
Typically asphalt.
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Originally Posted by erchn View Post
Thanks for the detail. Two comments -
1) The cars these days are much lighter than they were when HPI started selling those springs, and as such won't have the same handling characteristics.
2) People that own those springs have been racing for quite a while, and to be able to tell the difference on the track have raced them quite a bit. I therefore contend that they are softer, more broke in, than they originally were 10-ish years ago.

All that said, I wish I had an old set.
I have the old silvers and the Ride reds, and the old silvers are indeed a little softer when compressed against each other. While this is not an accurate test at all, it gives you a general ball park. However, there is a lot more going on when the spring oscillates rapidly within only a couple mm of stroke. I also agree that my old silvers are probably getting tired

As far as the weight of the cars are, I notice that the springs today are softer. Ride released a softer line up of springs below the red series, Tamiya's new ones are bit on the softer side as well. My new ARC 2015 comes with springs rated softer than the Ride reds too. With weight restrictions being 1350-75 from the 1500 days, perhaps this is the correct direction especially on aspahlt.
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Old 09-11-2014, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by cplus View Post
From where?

I've ordered from places that say they have stock to only get the dreaded "dear john" email a day or so later before
I got them from here:

http://tamico.de/HPI-Racing-Daempfer...0-2-Stk-silber

They now show as out of stock, I bought the last three sets.

I have received a mail with tracking info, the springs should be in my mailbox tomorrow.
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You can also search for these with part # HBS6543
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Originally Posted by Gridworks Racing View Post
You can also search for these with part # HBS6543
Yeah, I saw the Hot Bodies springs also, just wasn't sure they were 100% identical to the HPI Silvers.
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Originally Posted by Qatmix View Post
The 'silvers' have been black for years. You want the black ones as they are the ones people use and will be the ones referred to on the setting sheets.
All the images of groskamp's car I've seen use silver silvers.

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Old 09-12-2014, 01:51 AM
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Well, if the silver silvers are discontinued, not able to get anywhere, why not just forget about them anyway and tune the setups for the silver black ones. Or other ones that can be purchased.

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