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Old 05-01-2017, 08:23 AM   #3346
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Hi Tamiya TRF guys

Yesterday had a race at our home track.
First must say I love my car sooo much

With my XRay Front I had a lot of steering and the car had all day long a stable rear. Changed during the day to Suspension Mount D in the rear.
Car was so fast and nice to drive but my driver skill was not good
Drive super fast and good 4-5 rounds than I had a mistake that cost me 2sec.
Use in the shocktower only 2 Screws and in Front the Arrowmax 44mm drive shaft with Blades.

End up at P4. Must work to drive better with this fantastic lovely TRF Racer.

Attached the setup and some pics of the car
Why replace the front end with xray parts?
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Old 05-01-2017, 08:44 AM   #3347
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Why replace the front end with xray parts?
Easy to explain nubs:

As first the quality of the plastic, secondly the C-Hub problem (can be solve with the C-Hub of the TA05, ok), thirdly the game in the steering is history, more steering than fourth reason ...

Just to name a few reasons.

We drivers are now the team and have to develop our TRF with prototypes
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Old 05-01-2017, 08:59 AM   #3348
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Not really a Tamiya any more then. May as well just run the XRAY if you think the XRAY suspension is better.
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Old 05-01-2017, 09:13 AM   #3349
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Not really a Tamiya any more then. May as well just run the XRAY if you think the XRAY suspension is better.
I do not like the orange and everyone drives the car ...
I drive Tamiya and use parts from other manufacturers if it helps.

Can someone explain (with pictures) how to install in the front inside a whole block, like Christian Donath in the setup E05?

sosidge, the 1 05E Block with G05 in Front is the setup from the XRays

Also, can someone create the flip chart of the new blocks?
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Old 05-01-2017, 10:50 AM   #3350
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Easy to explain nubs:

As first the quality of the plastic, secondly the C-Hub problem (can be solve with the C-Hub of the TA05, ok), thirdly the game in the steering is history, more steering than fourth reason ...

Just to name a few reasons.

We drivers are now the team and have to develop our TRF with prototypes
Why not use exotek chubs? How does it have more steering? Are you saying that the xray knuckles and hubs have more turn radius?
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Hi Simmi,

Good results for sure. I am still virgin with my 419x on asphalt, looking for this weekend to see where we are.
I dont do such changes on my X , but interesting your setting for sure. If it works then even better !

Some questions to understand more:
1. Did you start with some base setting with tamiya parts/base setup to see improvement? If so, what brought the biggest adv and what it was?(I have no issues with C-hub, regular mtce needed but no broken stuff anymore)
2. How did you car perform vs others with this setup in best laptime? In carpet i was quicker on best lap mostly by 0.1 sec, so I didnt change the car so much. If I didnt win it was my mistake .
3. What i am also interested why you are running 2mm spacers in front susp and why did you have only 1mm shims inside on the bulks. So big changes vs std. Is traction high?

Thanks for the feedback on above!

Keep us updated with your result and enjoy the car !
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Hi Tamiya TRF guys

Yesterday had a race at our home track.
First must say I love my car sooo much

With my XRay Front I had a lot of steering and the car had all day long a stable rear. Changed during the day to Suspension Mount D in the rear.
Car was so fast and nice to drive but my driver skill was not good
Drive super fast and good 4-5 rounds than I had a mistake that cost me 2sec.
Use in the shocktower only 2 Screws and in Front the Arrowmax 44mm drive shaft with Blades.

End up at P4. Must work to drive better with this fantastic lovely TRF Racer.

Attached the setup and some pics of the car
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Old 05-02-2017, 11:51 AM   #3352
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Thank you Marton

First: I have my setup of last year online at Petitrc and I was happy. But my best lap time was 15.7. What I have been since the 419 is the XRay Adjuster and ball connector.

Secondly: My car was very fast in narrow chicanes, longer corner, fast on the straight without breaking out, quickly out of the corner. I could very well keep up with the first until I made a mistake and back again. The fastest time was a 14.9 but the average was 15.0 to 15.5. Some also have different gear ratio but I was very satisfied with 5.0.

Thirdly: I wanted the car to be more agile, should be more direct, therefore only 1mm shim. The 2mm are owed to the XRay front and was nice to drive.

Marton my car was very fast in all directions and I was mega happy. I was driven my best lap times for ever
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Why not use exotek chubs? How does it have more steering? Are you saying that the xray knuckles and hubs have more turn radius?
Exotek are Alu C-Hubs and I don`like them. More steering results from no longer play in the steering
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Old 05-02-2017, 12:34 PM   #3354
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hey Simmi thanks for the idea on the x ray front as I have always disliked the amount of play on the C hub of the TRF cars. I personally own two 418's with the Samix chassis conversion as well as ultra low shock towers to run the new low profile shocks ( running X ray PSS in the car now ) and have actually just completed the conversion using spares from my T4 17.

Are you still running the TRF anti roll bars at the front or have you switched to the x ray bars as well? I switched to the T4 bars which are a tad longer but still works well.

Looking forward to test the car tomorrow!
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hey Simmi thanks for the idea on the x ray front as I have always disliked the amount of play on the C hub of the TRF cars. I personally own two 418's with the Samix chassis conversion as well as ultra low shock towers to run the new low profile shocks ( running X ray PSS in the car now ) and have actually just completed the conversion using spares from my T4 17.

Are you still running the TRF anti roll bars at the front or have you switched to the x ray bars as well? I switched to the T4 bars which are a tad longer but still works well.

Looking forward to test the car tomorrow!

Here's a video of the 419x including the xray front parts

https://youtu.be/RQOlyiVg__c

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Old 05-07-2017, 01:46 PM   #3356
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Hi Simmi!

Quick question: did you change ball joints only to xray (302663#) or the ball conectors/ends as well? Xray 4.9mm, trf 5mm as per manuals. I use titanium version...

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Hi Simmi!

Quick question: did you change ball joints only to xray (302663#) or the ball conectors/ends as well? Xray 4.9mm, trf 5mm as per manuals. I use titanium version...

Thanks
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When I use the Xray ball joints, I also use the Xray call connectors/ends.

You can see all the parts numbers in the video above. Here they are.

Vorderachse:
XRAY 302168 - T4 2014 Querlenker vorne - hart
XRAY 302253 - T4 Lenkhebel vorne - hart
XRAY 302363 - T4 C-Hub - 4° Nachlauf - rechts - medium (ECS)
XRAY 302364 - T4 C-Hub - 4° Nachlauf - links - medium (ECS)
(innen bleiben die schmalen Kugellager!)

Tamiya 54544 - TRF 419 / 419X - Tuning Stahl Spool Mitnehmer inkl. Blades

Kugelpfannen / Kugelköpfe:
XRAY 302663 - T4 Kugelpfannen 5mm - Spurstangen / Querlenker
XRAY 362649 - 2014 Kugelkopf 4.9mm mit Gewinde 5mm (2)
XRAY 362650 - Kugelkopf 4.9mm mit Gewinde - 6mm (2)
XRAY 362651 - Kugelkopf 4.9mm mit Gewinde - 8mm (2)
XRAY 362652 - Kugelkopf 4.9mm mit Gewinde - 10mm (2)

Dämpfer:
Tamiya 53585 - Alu Shims Set - Zehntelscheiben - 3mm Innendurchmesser
XRAY 308307-K - T4 Alu Öldruckstoßdämpfer Set (2 Stück) - SCHWARZ

Differntial:
XRAY 972050 - Silikon O-Ring - 5x2mm
XRAY 962051 - Shims - Unterlegscheiben - 5x10x0.2mm
Team Associated 1105 - Dämpfer Abdichtungsfett "Green Slime"


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Old 05-08-2017, 05:50 AM   #3358
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@Stein Tumert

I use the XRay ball joints and connectors since the TRF 418.
You can also watch my videos on youtube under "Anders Alsmandenkt"
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I use the XRay ball joints and connectors since the TRF 418.
You can also watch my videos on youtube under "Anders Alsmandenkt"
Thanks Simmi.
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Old 05-11-2017, 04:28 AM   #3360
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Does anybody have the part# for the XWS-aluminium chassis plate and the new upper deck?

Does not seem that any of the shops have them as spare parts. I hope, Tamiya didn't jump on make-money-train again.

I wouldn't buy a complete new kit only for the aluminium chassis upgrade.
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