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Old 08-25-2005, 11:26 AM   #1
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I am new to electric (will race for the first time this weekend) and I am looking for the best 19T Fixed End Bell Motor, any suggestions? I just bought the 19T Trinity Chameleon 2 Pro Motor (recommended by a local racer), is this legal in a Fixed End Bell race? I had no idea what they were talking about...I thought 19T was 19T, didn't know there were different types.
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I am new to electric (will race for the first time this weekend) and I am looking for the best 19T Fixed End Bell Motor, any suggestions? I just bought the 19T Trinity Chameleon 2 Pro Motor (recommended by a local racer), is this legal in a Fixed End Bell race? I had no idea what they were talking about...I thought 19T was 19T, didn't know there were different types.
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yes it's legal. Fixed endbell refers to the timing of the brushes. A motor has two magnets. One on each side of the can. The endbell is offset of these magnets, which is called advanced timing. The more timing a motor has, the more RPM it will produce. A Chameleon 2 motor is locked (fixed) timing motor. It is legal for 19turn fixed end bell racing.
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Pro4 gave you the straight stuff..

For some more background, there are MANY types of 19t motors "out there"...

In the US, there is a whole group of what are called ARCOR 19t motors, based on the ARCOR 4-cell Oval racing rules (standard Mod motor 2-magnet cans, older style "standup" brushes, ball bearings, adjustable timing, etc.). One internal clue on these motors is that they are wound in the "mabuchi"/cross-wrap style, meaning that the wires CROSS each other as each coil connects to the comm, like stock motor armature winds. Most of these ARCOR 19t motors are hand-wound for greater precision and consistency, but at a higher cost. Almost all of the US motor builders offer some form of ARCOR legal 19t, but prices are in the $55-60 range or higher.

As mentioned in the other post, "fixed endbell" 19t requires that the endbell be locked/"fixed" at 24 degrees of timing advance to create a "spec" form of racing for 19t motors. Most of these motors will have "laydown" style brushes like the current Stock motors, but with ball bearings in the can and endbell. The armatures in these motors are very nearly identical to those in the US "ARCOR" stock motors, except most are wound like Modified motors in what is sometimes called "hemi-wind" style, equal to about 1/2 turn less wire than the "ARCOR"/"mabuchi" wind armatures. These armatures are generally machine wound, making them more affordable (near the price of stock motors), but slightly more inconsistent from one motor to the next.

I've used the Orion Green label (Element) 19t fixed endbell motors and the EPIC based (Chameleon and Chameleon 2) motors, and they are both good motors, but I've found the Chameleon 2's to outperform the Orion's by a small margin. Atlas also offers a 19t fixed endbell, but they are rare in the US, and I have not tried them.

Probably WAY more than you wanted to know, but....

The bottom line is that your Chameleon 2 is an excellent choice for "fixed endbell" 19t racing!
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Old 08-25-2005, 01:11 PM   #4
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The Trinity Chameleon 2 is a great choice...i have two of them, and they run great!
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Old 08-25-2005, 01:20 PM   #5
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I have the orion element in my tc4 and it works really good with the stock brushes and springs. I noticed though when the comm gets cut it loses more than what my stock motor does. But I would still recommend it since I haven't tried any other 19t. I would look out for the checkpoint 19t, I have a 12x2 and it is awesome, can't wait to get my hands on it.
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from what i have seen, get the team express c2 motor, i believe its a chameloen 2 thats been tuned, they have tons of power, you can order at tmxpress.net
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or you can try the team express new 19t... the atlas 19t..
so far.. it is ripping !!!

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put some 767's, (+) purple and (-) red on your C2. Gear it at 6.5-7.0 depending on track and your set.
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Has anyone tried the Orion V2 19 turn spec motor?
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It's a good motor. Fast and smooth.
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Old 09-22-2005, 09:58 AM   #11
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The laydown version of the element produces exceptional power but fades hard and requires a complete rebuild every run. The V2 version is fairly gentle of the comm but also has too narrow of a power band making slow on mixed tracks.

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The Atlas followed closely by the reedy and orion(v2) has the most power with the C2 a bit less.

The C2 has the best power band followed by the Atlas, Reedy and Orion(v2)
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I haven't tried the atlas.

The Element felt like a great motor. They are made of quality materials. For outdoors, they should be geared no less than 5.4 and no more than 6.0 under normal conditions.

C2 is a great motor. If someone says it isn't, then maybe they haven't tried a "good" one.

V2 on my element felt soft. I used the endbell off a mod motor, and set it to 24d. V2 endbell also makes the motor cost almost twice as much.
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Having tried the C2, Element, Reedy, and most recently the Atlas, no doubts, its the ATLAS. Keep in mind, the Atlas might not show as good numbers on a dyno as the others, but on the track the motor flat out rips!
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where can I find a atlas motor ? Thanks guys
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I got some..on sale this month also just PM me
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