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Old 05-20-2014, 12:02 PM   #31
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Copying good ideas has been a part of TC design as long as there have been TCs. That's why they all look the same these days.

Awesomatix has obviously stumbled onto something that gives the car an advantage in certain scenarios. It doesn't surprise me that other companies are going to try and figure out what that is and incorporate it without making wholesale changes to their car design. I'm surprised it's taken this long. This is what I expect from car designers. Kudos to them for acknowledging that someone has built a better mousetrap and trying to address it.
I agree with the fact they are trying something else..
A great car manufactuer should provide there customer different options to try to suit there driving style.
At my two tracks... The Awesome guys are always trying different things.
Cutting top decks, cutting chassis, after market chassis, narrow hubs,x brand internals in the diffs.
Thats great... They are looking for that edge, that we all look for.I dont think its hilarious.
This thread should be about another option xray drivers have.
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some of you guys should really stop trolling, i have been out of the tc game for years....but ideas have been borrowed for ever.....


many of you guys in here are sponsored, why not act like a professional, represent your companies well and not troll to create problems..
Exactly.

for Xray to incorporate this design into their own cars is inevitable. If it proves to be effective, durable, and the car can still be bought for under $1000, I'm all for it.
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some of you guys should really stop trolling, i have been out of the tc game for years....but ideas have been borrowed for ever.....


many of you guys in here are sponsored, why not act like a professional, represent your companies well and not troll to create problems..
This dude has a point. However I think Xray should at least beef up the steering block so that racers don't have to replace insanely expensive top hats every weekend - not cool.
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noob on terms. what's a top hat?
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Great, X-Ray is trying something different, but it it is not different because it has been done before time and time again and under very limited circumstances this works, but what everybody needs to take into consideration is that for the general public this is just another gimmick plain and simple. If it worked that great then every manufacturer would of made this a standard part 10 or more years ago! You will always have people swear up and down that it works and that it is the greatest thins since sliced bread, but it is just another gimmick. Not trolling, just want to save people money.

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noob on terms. what's a top hat?
He's referring to kingpin collars. They look like little top hats.

I've been racing xray TCs for a few years now. I've never once lost a top hat. I've also never broken a rear hub carrier.

This is just an option they are talking about. I'd be surprised if they include it in new kits. You don't have to do this if you don't want to. It's an option.
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Great, X-Ray is trying something different, but it it is not different because it has been done before time and time again and under very limited circumstances this works, but what everybody needs to take into consideration is that for the general public this is just another gimmick plain and simple. If it worked that great then every manufacturer would of made this a standard part 10 or more years ago! You will always have people swear up and down that it works and that it is the greatest thins since sliced bread, but it is just another gimmick. Not trolling, just want to save people money.

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No one is being forced at gun-point to try it, "gimmick" or not. And I highly doubt you care about our collective wallets. Moving along now...
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No one is being forced at gun-point to try it, "gimmick" or not. And I highly doubt you care about our collective wallets. Moving along now...
Just want people to be able to make an informed decision, you can spend your money however you like.

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I kinda feel sorry for Serpent. They announced theirs nobody really said anything about it. Xray puts theirs out and everyone flocks to new Xray upgrades.
That's because Xray sell more than few cars. I think I can count the Serpent drivers in the UK on one hand.
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Great, X-Ray is trying something different, but it it is not different because it has been done before time and time again and under very limited circumstances this works, but what everybody needs to take into consideration is that for the general public this is just another gimmick plain and simple. If it worked that great then every manufacturer would of made this a standard part 10 or more years ago! You will always have people swear up and down that it works and that it is the greatest thins since sliced bread, but it is just another gimmick. Not trolling, just want to save people money.

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But what you have forgotten is that since this idea was dropped by most TC manufacturers (Awesomatix did most of their car differently so this didn't stand out as much), car design has moved on a lot, perhaps it's an idea that will prove more effective with the current cars.... of course it may turn out to be a turd as well
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Shaft drives were dropped too. Some ideas are worth revisiting as technology changes.
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But what you have forgotten is that since this idea was dropped by most TC manufacturers (Awesomatix did most of their car differently so this didn't stand out as much), car design has moved on a lot, perhaps it's an idea that will prove more effective with the current cars.... of course it may turn out to be a turd as well
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I am leaning towards option two, but yes there might be something that they may have figured out. Only time will tell.

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I've played with reactive toe it works very well.
U set down the straight with 1.5 2 degrees rear toe, as the car leans into the corner it increases to 2.5 or 3 degrees,

So u get less drag then the stability

The inside wheel is a little different (depending on your setup) remember average is only 2mm lift this doesn't cause for much toe change.

Playing with link length and angle is a great aid, gimmicky! Not really especially not for the blinky class's
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It's always good to have options. But as mentioned here before, it was dropped a while ago as there were issues with it back in the day. I remember it being hard to keep consistent due to relatively minor collisions being able to push the settings out quite easily and the left/ right balance of the car in corners would be bent out of shape. Blocks were used as they are solid.

Still, it's obviously coming back in fashion with the Awesomatix, Serpent and now the T4 and for stock racers it can be good in the right conditions.
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It was used on serpent nitro cars about 12 years ago and worked well in certain conditions.
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