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Old 04-20-2004, 09:42 AM   #1366
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I have a bunch of most of these motors. First, stay with the epic/trinity motors. Currently they build the best stock motor. Which motor tuner is the tough question.

I have Birdmans, Paradigm, Team1, Fantom, and trinity tuned motors. In my opinion, Paradigm and Fantom tune the motor's the best. But most local tracks have a great motor tuner that will tune your motor for a fee. I pay $10 for each motor.
If I run them in my 1/12 they last about 10 to 15 batteriey packs. In my Touring car they last sometimes 2 runs. In my Off Road truck, about 3 to 4 runs.

I use the GreenMachine 3 for 1/12 only, touring cars will blow these motors up. The Monster is great for Touring, Offroad truck or buggy. The Binary is Great for 1/12, Touring or Buggy (this motor is said to be the most tempermental). The P2k2 is great for Offroad truck. Some racers like it for Touring cars, but the gearing is a big play. I've never been out motor'd by a P2k or P2k2 in my Touring car.

If I have to pick only 1 motor, it would be the Monster.

With that all said

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Old 04-21-2004, 01:27 PM   #1367
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This has probably been asked before, but it's hard to find...

Which bruches is good for the P2K and the GM3?

I'm racing on a tight technically carpet track. I'm using the standard springs.

I aint got enough time for a lot of maintenance, so it should be something, that lasts reasonably good. My second priority is torque.

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In general, run the e-brush (Trinity 4499) with red + spring and green - spring. If you don't mind more maintenance, try Putnam green shunt brush on + and blue shunt brush on -
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Old 04-21-2004, 07:49 PM   #1369
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hey guys, check out my post in the for sale section. i have teflon washers for sale at a very good price. i wont clutter up this thread with the details.
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Old 04-21-2004, 08:24 PM   #1370
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Paradigm has probably given me the best results, and there brushes seem to work better than anything out there for my touring car. Just my 2 cents.
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Old 04-21-2004, 09:09 PM   #1371
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I'm wondering if anyone has a a magic # for triming your brushes to get a desired % of wrap. I know every time you true the comm you decrease circumference and this will change your overlap. I don't have a dyno so I can't test this out for myself. Also is there a good method for balancing a comm. somebody suggested using razor blades on a level surface but i have yet to find a level that will produce usable accuracy let alone a cheap but good drill press.
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Old 04-22-2004, 12:25 AM   #1372
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In general, run the e-brush (Trinity 4499) with red + spring and green - spring. If you don't mind more maintenance, try Putnam green shunt brush on + and blue shunt brush on -
Thanks. I've found Team 1 4145/767 Serrated, cut Layd, for a reasonably price. Will they be harder on the comm? How about track performance?
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Old 04-22-2004, 05:51 AM   #1373
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I'm wondering if anyone has a a magic # for triming your brushes to get a desired % of wrap. I know every time you true the comm you decrease circumference and this will change your overlap. I don't have a dyno so I can't test this out for myself. Also is there a good method for balancing a comm. somebody suggested using razor blades on a level surface but i have yet to find a level that will produce usable accuracy let alone a cheap but good drill press.
if you have a dyno or a motor checker, take a run when you first get the motor from the tuner, then keep triming the brush until the amp draw gets back to that same number as you true the comm.

This is typically done at 2 volts, although other voltages will work. The key is consistency. At 2 volts, you should be between 8.5-9.5 amps or so. At least that what the guy at Putnam told me and it seams to work.

The problem is every motor is different. They will feal the same on the track with different amp draws. Gets hard to allways have the same amp draw on every motor and expect them to perform the same.
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Old 04-30-2004, 08:44 PM   #1374
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Somebody posted earlier that the p2k arm and the mvp can/endbell went well together, their right.

Mvp can and endbell
P2k pro arm
Stand-up brush hoods (aligned properly)
Bearings
36* timing
767 cut to stand-up (729's may be better)
Stock springs with a little tention added to the +

It's close to 19t performance. After 2 runs brush and comm wear is close to nothing, motor ran cooler then it ever did with the laydown brush hoods.
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Somebody posted earlier that the p2k arm and the mvp can/endbell went well together, their right.

Mvp can and endbell
P2k pro arm
Stand-up brush hoods (aligned properly)
Bearings
36* timing
767 cut to stand-up (729's may be better)
Stock springs with a little tention added to the +

It's close to 19t performance. After 2 runs brush and comm wear is close to nothing, motor ran cooler then it ever did with the laydown brush hoods.
This is cool. I just have a few questions though. The 36* timing is stock...right? and how can you add stand up brush hoods?

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Old 04-30-2004, 09:10 PM   #1376
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No the stock timing is 24*, I cut the tab and chocked it up to 36*. Stand-up hoods come with mod motors, I had a pair from an old motor I tore to pieces a while back.
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Old 04-30-2004, 09:12 PM   #1377
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Dang! Thats bigtime cheating man!
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What does everyone think about the monster stock? I saw it at a local hobbyshop race and the TC3 running it was fast!!! It was the TQ for the intermediate class. I'm planning to buy a tc3 soon so I was wondering since the TC3 has good acceleration, should I get the monster stock and gear it a bit lower? Or get the p2k2?
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Old 05-01-2004, 04:55 AM   #1379
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Both the p2k2 and the monster are good motors. What is your local track like? For tight and techniqual - p2k2, for everthing else - monster.

etzkev - If I use it for anything it will be the 19t class, I won't be using it in stock.
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Both the p2k2 and the monster are good motors. What is your local track like? For tight and techniqual - p2k2, for everthing else - monster.

etzkev - If I use it for anything it will be the 19t class, I won't be using it in stock.
Haha, thats funny! Do you think if I did everything but put the stand up brush hoods it would make much of a difference? Let me know what the difference would be.

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