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Jack Rimer 07-28-2005 11:12 AM

JACO tire news
 
Effective September 1, 2005 JACO will implement a significant price reduction on the most popular items in our line. Namely, all the "exotic" compounds for 1/12, 1/10, and sedan. In addition we have redesigned our 1/12 rim to be stronger and are molding all our wheels in a tougher plastic. We feel it is our responsibility to the racer to be the leader not only in performance, but also in quality. We are not compelled to be the cheapest tire on the market. We just want consumers to feel that when they purchase our products that they are getting what they paid for.
By lowering the prices on our normal line, this makes room for our new "patent pending" 2- stage tires that are finally being released to the masses. The list price on these tires is slightly higher than our current pricing, but the performance justifies the cost. We are introducing 1/12 and nitro sedan tires immediately with other tires in our line to follow. For those that don't know, these tires won both the ROAR 1/12 mod title and the 1/10 ROAR gas sedan title in the last few months.

timmay70 07-28-2005 12:47 PM

are these two stage tires only meant for asphalt, or are they intended for both?

crimson eagle 07-28-2005 01:02 PM

Jack,

Can you give us some info on how these new tires are better than existing (12th scale)? I'd also like to know if these new tires will have a shorter or longer lifespan than the existing tires. Basically anything you can tell us will be most appreciated.

I like Jaco rubber a lot, the only problem I have is with the wheels, particularly the fronts.

Thanks,

Chris

6g72tt 07-28-2005 02:07 PM

just picked up three piars of Jaco's last night..

Jack Rimer 07-28-2005 03:03 PM

The new tires work on carpet and asphalt. Our testing has shown that they wear better than standard foam. With these tires you will run a slightly firmer tire on the rear. They are lighter and have much more bite than regular foams. On asphalt they will plant the car more. On carpet you will carry more corner speed and have greater acceleration.

TimPotter 07-28-2005 03:15 PM

JAck, when can we get the new 2 stage foams, and can you list the types ( ratings) that you have ?

ALBERTO 07-28-2005 03:21 PM

this is good new!!!!!! I'm tired of giving Trinity my hard earned cash, they dont desurve it at all.... cant wait please keep us informed :nod: :nod:

6g72tt 07-28-2005 03:23 PM

does jaco have a website, to read up on the tires? both new and old...

psbarger 07-28-2005 03:27 PM

Are part numbers released yet? If somebody could list them I'd like to get a few sets on order.....

Korgae 07-28-2005 04:11 PM

Jaco's web page is www.jacoracing.net

All the compounds and details of our regular Nitro Shoes are online. The new tires have just launched, pics must be taken and a new flast area created to reflect the recent race results.

Expect to see a update with in the next few weeks.

Hyperform Racing 07-28-2005 04:42 PM

Very cool Jack! With the current tires out now, we can pretty much run them down to the rim in 12th with lowered rear pods and the such. With two stage, how thick is the inner layer and how far can you run the outer layer down before performance is compromised? Best of luck with the new line...

Jack Rimer 07-28-2005 06:15 PM

I will get Korgae a list to post on our site of all the new part numbers. The tires are available immediately, but give it a few weeks to get into the system (especially for 1/12 scale). I will have to check on the base OD. I don't know it off hand. I should, but I've forgotten. We are offering double pink 1/12 rears and double pink or purple fronts. One of these combinations works about everywhere. You will always run harder rears with these tires as they get so much bite it is a necessity.

teamgp 07-29-2005 05:34 AM

When will the nitro shoes prices go down at places like stormer hobbies?

Josh Cyrul 07-29-2005 07:07 AM

Hyper:

TC tires can be run down to 57.5-58mm - normal minimum size for nitro TC's.

1/12 can be run as low as 1.64 (41.75mm).

Chris08527 07-29-2005 07:13 AM

josh

is 57.5/58 your first cut or do you cut them a little bigger and then run them down to 57/58???

chris08527

Rob Phillips 07-29-2005 07:39 AM

I would have to say the latter. You start to see performance decrease once the tires get down to about 57mm. Most guys that have to buy their tires start at about 62mm, It will give you a few runs before they're trash.

Tempest2000 07-29-2005 08:51 AM

Jack,

I've run the 2 stages in 12th mod and they worked great.

Have you had any guys testing it in 12th stock though? I know being lighter will still benefit, but I'm wondering if the rear tires might have too much grip for stock?

Thanks

Michael Skeen
Thunder RC

Apex 07-29-2005 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by Jack Rimer
Effective September 1, 2005 JACO will implement a significant price reduction on the most popular items in our line. Namely, all the "exotic" compounds for 1/12, 1/10, and sedan.

That's the first time I've actually seen a price REDUCTION on any kind of rc related item. Glad I use Jaco's!!

teamgp 07-29-2005 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by Josh Cyrul
Hyper:

TC tires can be run down to 57.5-58mm - normal minimum size for nitro TC's.

1/12 can be run as low as 1.64 (41.75mm).

And for electric its around 55mm correct?

andrewdoherty 07-29-2005 10:31 AM

If thats true I need to hook up with a nitro guy who uses a similar compound as I do on elec carpet. We split the cost of the tire 70 him/ 30 me and when they're "trash" at 57 mm they'll be perfect for me!! j/k I dont imagine any of the nitro compunds would work all that well indoors ;)

teamgp 07-29-2005 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by andrewdoherty
If thats true I need to hook up with a nitro guy who uses a similar compound as I do on elec carpet. We split the cost of the tire 70 him/ 30 me and when they're "trash" at 57 mm they'll be perfect for me!! j/k I dont imagine any of the nitro compunds would work all that well indoors ;)

Oh yes they do! I don't care what the powers that be say, I've won several A mains with Nitro Shoes on our new indoor carpet track and placed in the top three on an older indoor carpet track last year as I came up to speed. Although I'd have to say that using Paragon additive is a must in order to get enough rear grip.

The trick is to find the right combination of front and rears. I spent a ton of money (I had it to spend then) last year trying out a lot of combinations and came up with 40s 26mm fronts and 35s 30mm rears on my Xray FK. With the new FK05 being lighter at the rear, I'm going to try using 35s 26mm fronts on the rear next week. Even though I really don't think they will provide enough rear grip with the skinny width, I have an old pair from last years testing that I'm going to sauce up and try.

I was told that using Nitro Shoes on my Xray wouldn't work by some on the forum here last year. But me being the hard headed (or maybe determined) individual that I am, I spent the money to test them anyway.

Everyone laughed at me last year for having the "pretty" car with the 5 spoke rims (I truly dislike the dish look), and now those same people are asking me questions about my setup.

ohiorcdad 07-29-2005 12:45 PM

The rubber for rear nitro tires is the same as the rubber for carpet tires. The front rubber is different.

EAMotorsports 08-30-2005 07:14 AM

Ran the new 2 stage tires this weekend at Halo hobbies. Granted my car wasnt very good till the main but these tires are the real deal. Me and Drew Ellis found the same thing. .2 a lap faster in stock :eek: Stock up on em now cause they are gonna be the tires to run this winter!!

EA

erock1331 08-30-2005 08:22 AM

Jack is there going to be any changes to the current 1/10 oval tires?
new compounds, price reductions, etc??

kerry 08-30-2005 08:34 AM

any cross comparison chart that would give a good starting point for old jacos to new type for 1/10 carpet example purples would be the same as ??? ect...

kerry 08-30-2005 08:35 AM

one more thing are the rims offset on the new ones or for the xray or do we still need to shim it up

dmayhew25 08-30-2005 08:37 AM

EA- where did you get them? Are they labeled the same way, pink, purple? What is a good place to start? I currently like either Double Pink/orange with Double pink rears or Purple/orange with purple rears. thanks for any help.

Jack Rimer 08-30-2005 05:33 PM

The current 1/10 oval tires are also reduced in price. No compound changes.
The 2-stage electric sedan tires are still in the development stages. We are getting good results in stock, but need to improve the performance in mod a bit. The sedan wheels are still dish, but are a little softer for durability. When we do the 2 stage sedan tires we will only offer 1 or 2 front compounds and 1 or 2 rear compounds. They will be the same color codes we use now. Just like the 1/12 2-stage tires where we only offer double pink rears and purple and double pink fronts. We are trying to keep things simple (for the consumer AND us!).

impdog 08-30-2005 07:00 PM

Does anybody have the 2 stage 1/12 tires in stock or on order that can let us know when they do come in thanks

Jack Rimer 08-31-2005 05:42 AM

We have shipped to distributors already so have your hobby shop check with their distributor of choice. I see you are in Ohio. I believe Halo Hobbies has them in stock now so you may want to check there.

JPH Racing 08-31-2005 07:29 AM

Jack: I my have missed this, but will there be any changes to the rim material used on the 1/10 oval tires?

bigdog xxx-s 08-31-2005 07:35 AM

When will the pricing go into effect and when should we see the changes at our hobby shops?

Jack Rimer 08-31-2005 07:55 AM

We will be changing the oval rim material, but it has not been done yet. The new prices take effect tomorrow. I'm not sure when it will trickle down to dealers.

Rob Phillips 08-31-2005 08:03 AM

You know, my local hobby shop sells everything for suggested retail. So Jaco run us about $23 a pair, which is robbery for a set of foam tires( TRC's go for $27.99 so not trying to pick on Jaco ). Thats $50 for a full set of tires which will probably get chunked by the end of the day. So now Jaco is offering a new, better product, at a slightly higher price. OK I'm in, if, it will last three times longer, resist chunking, be mounted on a wheel that won't break, and fan me on those hot race days. :D

Ok one more question for ya Jack, How come I can buy jaco's over seas for less that I can buy them here? They used to be manufactored in my home state, not sure if that' s still the case. Never been able to understand that one.

Rob Phillips 08-31-2005 08:11 AM

Jack not trying to pick on Jaco here, I just don't understand how a set of foams can cost more than a set of rubbers. I think all tires seem to be over priced. It can't be supply and demand, I know the demand is there, and there's enough competition to keep the supply right. I would just like to see a price drop in tires acroos the board since that is the key element in all forms of racing.

Jack one more thing, Jaco makes that best rubber period! :D

Jack Rimer 08-31-2005 08:26 AM

Foam tires take much more labor to produce than rubber tires. Rubber tires are molded, foams are "assembled". We are actually LOWERING the price on our normal tires (read my first post). Significantly, I might add.
In order to compete and sell any tires overseas we must sell to our distributor at very little profit. He, in turn, is content to make next to nothing in order to move product. All of this is fine until you have his customers selling back into the US at unfairly low prices. We have complained, threatened, and screamed about this for 2 years. It seems to help for a while, then I hear about it again. This is one of the reasons we are lowering our prices domestically. Shops need to be able to survive and tires are a good consumable. They can't and won't sell product if they are getting pounded by people selling online for ridiculously low prices.
By the way, all the tires are still made in Virginia.

RayJ 08-31-2005 08:39 AM

my experiences with Jaco 2 stages
 
If your looking for rear bite in your nitro car the 2 stages provide a huge amount of rear bite. Accelerating out of the corner it's most noticable in forward bite. In fact I found i needed to run a softer front compound to compensate for the increased rear bite. The also wear very well. But you need to change your driving style

Couple of things that I feel that need to be imporved is the thickness of the 1st stage rubber/foam. You almost have to run these tires at least 61mm or so to get any kind of life out of them. The second thing that I needed was to increase camber on these tires to stop the sidewalls from coming apart.

Apex 08-31-2005 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by Jack Rimer
The 2-stage electric sedan tires are still in the development stages. We are getting good results in stock, but need to improve the performance in mod a bit. The sedan wheels are still dish, but are a little softer for durability. When we do the 2 stage sedan tires we will only offer 1 or 2 front compounds and 1 or 2 rear compounds. They will be the same color codes we use now.

For carpet racing, is it even worth it to develop a 2 stage electric sedan tire? I usually run tires sizes of 55mm to 57mm in mod touring. I just don't see how you're going to make a 2 stage electric sedan tire that really make a performance difference. What performance enhancing results have you seen with your stock electric sedan tire testing?

Jack Rimer 08-31-2005 09:13 AM

Ray, we have lowered the OD of the base foam so you can run smaller tires. In addition, we are using a more durable core foam on all the 2-stage tires.
I talked to Eric Anderson, Chris Mazzola, and Drew Ellis who tested last weekend. They say anywhere from 1 to 2 tenths per lap quicker with the new tires. The cars carry more corner speed and are easier to drive according to their feedback. Josh tested in mod and needed more bite. We will continue to try to improve the tires so they are faster in all classes. If we can consistently prove that they provide an advantage, we will release them. If they are not better, we won't.

Jack Rimer 08-31-2005 09:17 AM

Apex- people said the same thing about our 1/12 wraps last year, yet they were a definate advantage. If you have to run a slightly larger tire and you are faster, who cares? Faster is faster. Just wheel it! :smile:


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