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Old 02-22-2014, 09:36 PM   #151
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What is the best order to set the car up camber then toe then ride height.and recheck?
When do you put it on the 4 scales. After the tweak is set? And then rebalance with weight
Also when I do the sway bar check it doesn't seem to lift the other arm up unless I put the heavier bar on, so should I go to the heavier one so it is working or stay light?
Good questions. The order in which you do things is very important for sure, as some adjustments will affect other adjustments.

The following order keeps this in mind.

check chassis tweak...untweak if required.
disconnect swaybars
set anti-dive, anti-squat (and also A-Arm vertical height on hing pins)
set spring rates
set your weight locations
set ride height
set toe
set droop
set upper link
set camber

In terms of using scales. I never did, as I never wanted to carry around scales . I would balance the left/right weight distribution, by balancing the car along it's centerline to see if it fell to the left or fell to the right. In terms of the front/rear balance I would find the half way point between the front axels and rear axels and the balance the car at that point to see if it fell forward or backward.
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Old 02-23-2014, 01:17 AM   #152
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What makes the RC Car definition of Rebound confusing is that it contradicts what full size cars define as rebound.

In full size car shocks bump refers to when the shock is compressed, and more bump means the shock resists more when being compressed. The Rebound in full size car shocks refers to when the shock is extending and more rebound means the shock resists being extended.

However the way we seem to define rebound in RC car's is the amount the shaft extends on its own after being compressed. The more it extends the more rebound it has. So in RC cars, more rebound means the shock will extend more easily, which is the opposite of full size cars.
Yep surprised we haven't started to used more complicated valving.
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Yeah, my main focus is racing full sized cars. I have not raced RC in a couple of years, but there is an annual Canadian Indoor Nationals event that I plan on attending just for fun. I may not even make the A main as I think Hebert, Lemiuex, Haynes, Hardman and a number of other top drivers are supposed to be there. I don't even have my car yet, and the race is only a few weeks away. I hope I can get at least one practice day in before the race, so I can get the cobwebs cleaned out a little.
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Strange unsuspected things can affect handling. I drive a Sprint Car on an Asphalt oval and just went through the process of laying down the battery from it's upright position. This required moving the ESC, receiver and fan. The fan had been shoe gooed to the the chassis but no room after battery lay down so went to a heat sink motor mount with the fan at the rear of the motor. Too close to the battery to mount on the front of the motor. It was a tricky mount to stay clear of the body cage and the left out-drive but got it done, (I thought). Ran the car and it worked nice. Ran it some more and it would turn to the left on acceleration anywhere on the track. Finally tore into it after trying to correct in other ways and found tiny witness marks on the edge of the fan where the axle pin at the out-drive had been hitting it. Turns out the heat sink had rotated slightly from where it started; probably from installing the body and the cage hitting it. Took the fan off and all was well.

It's the little things. Back to redesign of the fan mount.
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Old 02-24-2014, 07:41 AM   #155
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Hello Martin,

Nice to see you helping racers out again!

Still have my Windows 8 phone....still love it.....still wishing you'd make an app for it.

Steve

Hey Steve,

I wanted to let you know that I just launched LearnSetup.com which is the evolution of my setupworkbench app, and it will run on your windows 8 phone. In fact it will run on any device as it runs in your browser.

LearnSetup.com not only has an ever growing knowledge base of setup information, it also allows racers to store their setups. These setups can be kept private or shared with everyone. I have already added a number of the pro setups to the publicly shared setups.

I also added an improved gear ratio calculator that can not only figure your your FDR, but it can work backwards from the FDR to figure out the pinion or spur you need to run.

More features and setup knowledge will be added on a regular basis.

Let me know what setup topics you want me to add, as well as any features you might want added.

Since Canada won Gold in both the mens and womens hockey I wanted to share some Canadian love with a 50% discount this week on the subscription to learnsetup.com
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Old 02-24-2014, 08:10 AM   #156
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Looks Great Martin, I'm signing up Go CANADA!
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Hey Steve,

I wanted to let you know that I just launched LearnSetup.com which is the evolution of my setupworkbench app, and it will run on your windows 8 phone. In fact it will run on any device as it runs in your browser.

LearnSetup.com not only has an ever growing knowledge base of setup information, it also allows racers to store their setups. These setups can be kept private or shared with everyone. I have already added a number of the pro setups to the publicly shared setups.

I also added an improved gear ratio calculator that can not only figure your your FDR, but it can work backwards from the FDR to figure out the pinion or spur you need to run.

More features and setup knowledge will be added on a regular basis.

Let me know what setup topics you want me to add, as well as any features you might want added.

Since Canada won Gold in both the mens and womens hockey I wanted to share some Canadian love with a 50% discount this week on the subscription to learnsetup.com
Cheers.
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Just Ordered it Martin, I had a quick look and it seems awesome! I will take a longer look later this morning. Thanks for addressing this need so quickly for us Windows people. Canada's efforts on the ice was pretty impressive and I took advantage of your generous offer. Good luck at the Canadian race that is coming up. Thanks Again,

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Just Ordered it Martin, I had a quick look and it seems awesome! I will take a longer look later this morning. Thanks for addressing this need so quickly for us Windows people. Canada's efforts on the ice was pretty impressive and I took advantage of your generous offer. Good luck at the Canadian race that is coming up. Thanks Again,

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Thanks Steve. I posted my old serpent 411 setups on learnsetup.com. Cheers!
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Thanks Steve. I posted my old serpent 411 setups on learnsetup.com. Cheers!
Awesome, Nice, Tremendous, and a few others. Thanks.
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Site looks awesome, although a little hazy, that might be my hockey hangover

Some really good explanations and diagrams from what I've read so far.
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Awesome, Nice, Tremendous, and a few others. Thanks.
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Site looks awesome, although a little hazy, that might be my hockey hangover

Some really good explanations and diagrams from what I've read so far.
Thanks Guys!

Yeah I have Some Paul, Marc and Ronald setups added.
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Old 02-24-2014, 08:27 PM   #162
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Default A couple new features added to LearnSetup.com today

Hi,

I added a couple of features today to LearnSetup.com

1. News Feeds for RedRC.net as well as the LearnSetup.com Blog are now integrated into the app.
2. LearnSetup.com now remembers your “user id” to make it easier to log in the next time, because you won’t need to type in your user id.

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Martin, I signed up as well as posted the information on the Ontario forum for Lou's Speedway. See you in Welland at the Nationals in about 17 days.

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Thanks Martin, Great job. I'm running it on android and it looks great
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Hey Martin,

Maybe I missed it. But is your "Learnsetup.com" going to replace your setupworkbench app?

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