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Old 01-14-2014, 09:08 AM   #16
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to me it seems that xray go and do all the hard work then the japanese come along and copy them,xray,tamiya,schumacher etc all do r and d the cheaper brands use cheaper poor quality materials so itll wear out twice as fast with no r and d at all,and they dont have factory drivers so no help with set ups either
You think the Japanese copied xray?
Xray copied Tamiya.
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Well said Sean B, Xray play catch up,
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Xray copied Tamiya.
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Well said Sean B, Xray play catch up,
As he mentioned a list that included Tamiya as 'doing all the R&D' I think you'll find he meant the budget companies in the Far East.

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P.S. With the performance of Tamiya's more recent cars, I think they're playing cacth up
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As he mentioned a list that included Tamiya as 'doing all the R&D' I think you'll find he meant the budget companies in the Far East.

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P.S. With the performance of Tamiya's more recent cars, I think they're playing cacth up
3 consecutive world titles....nobodies catching up.
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Old 01-14-2014, 10:37 AM   #20
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3 consecutive world titles....nobodies catching up.
but with my xray i dont need to fit raceberry conversions to make it work,im sure they have the 418 right but ill bet itll be an xray behind volker at the worlds
but what are they winning outside of one off events?
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You think the Japanese copied xray?
Xray copied Tamiya.
i probably should have said the chinese,they seem to duplicate everything,ill bet theyll be an mi5 copy soon
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Thanks for everyones input , funny I could not find my answer in all of the searches I had done , thanks guys, you all have explained well !
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Well said Sean B, Xray play catch up,
imo xray have overtaken tamiya
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My opinion once again here so no flaming please.

You DO get what you pay for and for the majority of hobby consumers are NOT willing to pay top dollar for what they are getting. Take a look at the sale board here and see how many buyers try and haggle a price on something they are already getting an awesome deal on. There is a huge compromise that the big names must make in order to get that almighty dollar from the consumer.

Here is an article referencing why I have the opinion I do.

http://www.ultimaterc.com/forums/arc...p?t-48613.html

At that time I was Team Associated all the way. Since then I decided I'd rather spend what little toy money I do get on something that doesn't include the "NAME". It isn't worth it in my opinion.

I just finished building a HobbyKing Turnigy TD-10 and saw nothing that would have differed significantly from a name brand car. Yes it has a fiberglass chassis vs a carbon one as well as other things. The quality of the moldings were spot on. Durability has been a non-issue running a 10.5 in it and it is rocket fast. I was VERY skeptical at first but those worries are non-existent after 6 months of running it. Lap times are comparable and at a fraction of the cost.

You will get a variety of answers to this question as you can see.Buying into all the hype and commercialism that goes into marketing our hobby toy cars is not a bad thing but I don't anymore and thats me. You really have to decide for yourself what will make you a satisfied purchaser.

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but with my xray i dont need to fit raceberry conversions to make it work,im sure they have the 418 right but ill bet itll be an xray behind volker at the worlds
but what are they winning outside of one off events?
Having Olly join X-ray is really going to help them at the WC's. Volker has been on it, Marc has posted some rapid times with the 418 as he is getting to grips with it, and Jilles has been on a winning streak with his. The Mi5 is fast and Chris Grainger is fast.

At our club level I think the Xray is such a strong all rounder, the Mi5 however has tempted most of the Xray boys away and they are getting very quick times with it.. (Although we run on a small technical circuit with 13.5's)

My 417 was quick, didn't seem quite the killer as the 416, but the 418 is here ready to stretch its legs and on the one run it had it felt better than my 417 ever did..

A proper race meet this weekend so I will see if it was just psychological or if the numbers add up

Oh and lets not forget the Durango.. Its been rapid when being prototyped and it was very close to taking the British Championship last year.

oh and Hara is also about, able to choose any chassis he wants

Honestly I think they all have a good chance, I hope there are a lot of different chassis types in the A final it will show our class is in rude health
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but with my xray i dont need to fit raceberry conversions to make it work,im sure they have the 418 right but ill bet itll be an xray behind volker at the worlds
but what are they winning outside of one off events?
What have Xray ever won,as in big events: 0
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In my opinion, what you get with something like an Xray, Tamiya, Yokomo, and even VBC and possibly ARC, that you don't get with something lesser, is a kit that goes together cleanly, works better and more consistently out of the box, and holds its setup better between runs. Note that I didn't put associated on that list, but it's close, and it's possible they've improved things for the TC6.2. They need to with other great cars on the market in the same price range.

That said, even with the highest-quality kit, there are still little details that can use fine-tuning, like making sure things move freely, de-tweaking things, etc.

In my opinion, taking a car like the Spec-R S1 and making it work is a valuable experience. It'll help you understand what you do / don't like about particular design elements, make you learn how to properly prepare a car, teach you the importance of driving clean lines every time you have to replace parts, and just generally be in a better position to appreciate a higher-quality kit the next time around.

I would also stress that of all the things you have to buy in order to go racing, the chassis is actually one of the least important.

In order of importance, I think it goes:
1) Radio, Steering servo - This defines the precision with which you can feel what the car is doing. The better you can feel what the car is doing, the faster you'll be able to go with it.
2) Tires
3) Chassis
4) Motor, ESC, Battery

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Old 01-14-2014, 03:26 PM   #28
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Not just quality...but consistency in that quality. Companies like Xray, Yokomo, and such not only put out quality products but almost all their products are quality. Where with other brands sure you can find a good quality kit or part...but that is the exception rather than the rule.
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What have Xray ever won,as in big events: 0
point taken,lol
so when are you getting the 418 then dave ?
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What the hi end cars might give over lower end cars is the ability to take say 1/4 sec off a lap time(for excellent drivers). The guys winning will talk about taking a few tens of a sec of laps, thats where a new/expensive model car might help, to get that few 1/10's sec faster.

For mere mortals & average drivers , its not so important. It may come down to what car is easier to setup, more forgiving if the setup isnt spot on 100%, easier to drive.
At club level drivers still win with older model cars, lower spec & cheaper cars .
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