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Old 07-13-2005, 08:20 PM   #1
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Default Stock Motors, where is the innovation?

when I started racing 2 years ago the best stock motors were the Monster stock and P2K2,

now these two motors are still the best there are (apparently)

there have been plenty of refinements in modified motors (orion V2, team checkpoint, EPIC shock) but none of this technology has moved down to stock motors.

it just seems like stock is moving nowhere, and considering the number of people racing stock is higher then modified (at least in Au) the manufacturers are shooting themselves in the foot.

does anyone else feel the same way?
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Old 07-13-2005, 08:27 PM   #2
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lets just say... everything is illegal in stock motor.
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Old 07-13-2005, 08:41 PM   #3
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The innovation in Mod motors doesn't translate well to stock. Stock Motors are all about making the most out of the limited spec that governs the 27turn 24 degree limitation. Modified is about making effecient Horsepower.
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In the states, all the new technology will put the car above the $40.00 retail price and then violate the ROAR rules... That's why you don't see it here in the states.
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Old 07-13-2005, 09:16 PM   #5
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for most of the big races Au follows ROAR rules as well,

I am sure Orion could put together a machine wound V2 with bushings for less then $40,
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One of the true inovators of RC motor technology passed away a few weeks ago. Big Jim Greenmeyer, He had some prototype motors developed for Reedy they couldn't get the job done. Now it's design is owned by Team Brood and under testing. So possable stock motor improvements are coming your way. Look to Team Brood to lead you to the light. 4 national championships in 1 year.
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Old 07-13-2005, 09:25 PM   #7
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Orion could use the sport version V2 end bel(used on their machine wound modified motors)l on the stock and still keep the price under the $40. But with the cost difference of machining the aluminum and having it anodized would not make it possible to keep the stock under the $40 limit while using the aluminum end bell.
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It doesn't have to be machined, or anodized. Just mold it, and spray paint it, and I'll use it. I think most others will too... But what I really think is that the manufacturers ARE able to sell the motors for under 40, they just don't want to.
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Even if they could do it price wise, it wouldn't have any real performance advantage....Just longer lasting brushes.......The stock motors today are close to being as fast as some of the popular mild mod motors that we ran back in the early 80's, so things are progressing , but just not fast enough for you to see it happening in the two years you've been racing.......Any of the brushed motors (stock or mod) have reached a level where performance gains and "true" refinements (not the gimmics) are fairly far and few between, partly because of the roar price cap that was mentioned earlier...... even the aproximately 5 year old reedy TI mod is still winning at many of the top races around the world
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Not forgeting that "stock" means different thing to different pple !

For you guys it means 27 turns

For us in Asia it means 23 turns

And then there's the new 19 turns ? ...I dun even know if it's called stock anymore !
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I think it's funny when stock racers complain that the motors are too slow. Isn't that why 19T racing has become so popular? or even step up to mod
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I believe there are still lots of ways to improve stock motors without deviating from the base design of the motors.

Pattern winding, brush technology, bushing technology are some of the ways I can think of now. Stock motor tech advances in more subtle ways than modified motors.
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I don't know about stock motor rules in Singapore, but for our stocks its hard to get the machine to do pattern winding.


Matt - You are right on with that comment.
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I don't know about stock motor rules in Singapore, but for our stocks its hard to get the machine to do pattern winding.


Matt - You are right on with that comment.
Yeah, if machines could do pattern winding that'd be cool. Anyway I was just hazarding some ideas. 23T motors have evolved with new bushings which allow the armature to spin more freely though they'd have to be lubed more often.
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Handwound stock motors. If we can get them handwound, then maybe the motors would be more equal b/c QC is better. That might eliminate some of the dud motors. Like about half the stockers I own.

I'm assuming that handwinding would make it easier to make the motors more equal. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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