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Old 07-13-2005, 11:18 PM   #16
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It doesn't have to be machined, or anodized. Just mold it, and spray paint it, and I'll use it. I think most others will too... But what I really think is that the manufacturers ARE able to sell the motors for under 40, they just don't want to.
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The anodizing is one thing that makes the V2 motors work with an aluminum endbell and not short it out.
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I think it's funny when stock racers complain that the motors are too slow. Isn't that why 19T racing has become so popular? or even step up to mod

I haven't touched a stock motor in over 2 years for this exact reason.
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Is it possible to make a motor lighter? As in, instead of a motor weighting 170g it could weigh like 80g?
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Old 07-13-2005, 11:24 PM   #19
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The anodizing is one thing that makes the V2 motors work with an aluminum endbell and not short it out.
I'm surprised as well since there is no stock innovations at this point. Expert stock class is brutal here and is REALLY competitive (trying to get your motor as fast as possible and etc.) When i get better i wanna skip expert stock and hopefully be good enough to run with the 19t boys.
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Is it possible to make a motor lighter? As in, instead of a motor weighting 170g it could weigh like 80g?
Not without losing performance. The only way to really make them lighter would be either smaller magnets or less mass in the armature, neither of which would be helpful to building power.
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Is it possible to make a motor lighter? As in, instead of a motor weighting 170g it could weigh like 80g?
There have been some things tested but nothing very reliable yet as far as I know. I did run a couple br00d modified motors that were lighter than normal and their punch was unreal, but they couldn't hold up. Not sure if it's still a live project or if it's been put on the back burner.
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Not without losing performance. The only way to really make them lighter would be either smaller magnets or less mass in the armature, neither of which would be helpful to building power.
There are other ways
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Old 07-13-2005, 11:38 PM   #23
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Is it possible to make a motor lighter? As in, instead of a motor weighting 170g it could weigh like 80g?
I don't think its quite possible.As motor need some sort of magnectic field to work.So the can,armature must be made of steel or ferrous metal of some sort.So can't do much there.And I think magnets are mostly heavy.

Basically,why the manufacturers use these materials are because they are relatively cheap to purchase...So its cheaper to mass produce.Imagine,if they were to use exotic materials for motors.And bum up the price to $100 for a off the shelf stocker??? I don't think most people would want that...
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Old 07-13-2005, 11:41 PM   #24
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my post to a response in the ask rick wilson thread. what do you guys think?

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can we get rid of bushings and use bearings in stock motors,

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i agree!

ROAR has allowed the retail limit to be raised so many times that the price of a 27T stk motor exceeds or comes very close inprice to other machine wound motors of better quality.

Example 1: i went to towerhobbies site a Trinity Monster Stk Pro $32.99...a Speedgem Extreme with a D6 Q-mag setup, P94 brush sys, BEARINGS, adjustable timing a whopping $2 more.....amazing

Example 2: at our hobby shop they have a series of 11T thru 17T Trinity Machine wound motors that have adjustable timing, BEARINGS and to top that a better brush system (P94) that are sold less than the same companies ROAR Stk Motor.

other companies have these also, such as the Reedy Flash (with quads to boot) series, Orion has the Rush (one wind avail is a 27T), Orbital 2, and Speed Series machine wounds, with adj-timing & BB's etc. etc

Note: i'm not trying to pick on Trinity, just they were the best recent samples i have seen
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Old 07-13-2005, 11:54 PM   #25
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i will give kudos to trinity/epic for giving it a shot with the outlaw stock.

Quad mags (seems to works best for lower winds)
less lams on the arm
effectively a overall shorter wind

other than that your only other innovation would be the BL systems which ROAR made legal recently.

Peak racing has a 19T and Sport line (machine wound) i just saw a few weeks ago with a endbell that looks at first like the standard YOK/Epic endbell but has brush hoods that hold the V2 style brushes. this endbell looks like it could be maybe cheaply incorporated into a 27T stk motor orion/peak compared to using the $35 aluminum V2 endbell conversion for stock motors.

from website:
The Peak Raven is available in two versions. The Raven S features a removable endbell with adjustable timing while the Raven features a fixed endbell for ease of operation. All Raven motors are produced using quality components and feature:

Angled (V) brush orientation
Cylindrical brushes
Low resistance brush control tubes
Intelligent anti-vibration spring system
Race bred armature
Dual ball bearings
Bullet connectors

PEK1240 Raven 10x2 $24.99
PEK1241 Raven 11x2 $24.99
PEK1243 Raven 13x2 $24.99
PEK1245 Raven 15x2 $24.99
PEK1246 Raven 17x2 $24.99
PEK1247 Raven 19x2 $24.99
PEK1248 Raven 21x2 $24.99
PEK1249 Raven 23x2 $24.99
PEK1257 Raven 25x2 $24.99
PEK1258 Raven 27x2 $24.99

PEK1250 Raven S 10x2 $26.99
PEK1251 Raven S 11x2 $26.99
PEK1252 Raven S 13x2 $26.99
PEK1253 Raven S 15x2 $26.99
PEK1254 Raven S 17x2 $26.99
PEK1255 Raven S 19x2 $26.99
PEK1256 Raven S 21x2 $26.99

Once again checkout those prices

and for the stock motors
PEK8300 Hellfire RS24 Blueprinted $40.00
PEK8305 Hellfire RS24 Standard $40.00

outstanding!
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Old 07-14-2005, 12:12 AM   #26
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at the end of the day, 95% of racers are going to run what is fastest. there have been several remarks regarding the v2 tech being put into a stock. anyone know if this is actually a performance gain by incorporating it. we played with a couple of the v2 endbells early last year (2 epic, 1 top), and didn't see any gains (actually a slight drop). from what others have said, the rounder profile of the leading brush edge reduces torque.
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we have one guy who runs the conversions on all his stock motors, he's a good driver and seems just as fast as any of us using the reg endbells. i asked him about what he thinks about it and he swears by them. says motors run cooler, comms last longer. he also had to do some messing around with springs and brushes to get them to work up to par.

i myself can't see adding $30+ to price of my current stk motors

i noticed some where that Team Fantom is now doing stk motors with the V2 endbell. they would probably be able to give even better info since they have top notch equipment to build,dyno motors for sale?
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Next time you're at your LHS....take some time to look at Airplane "brushed" motors. They have like...15 magnets, just as many rotors and just as many segments on the comm. The comm is as big around as your pinki finger!! Electric (Airplane) motors have efficiency that we could only dream of! If we could bring some of that technology into our motors.....we'd be dialed for life!!
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jeez...

its great when u make a stock as illegal as possible to see juat how much better it actually helps...just doesnt work...there efficency goes bye bye but it can run with good 19t or better still using bushings and locked timing...

just all about the small stuff to get your motor to run smooth..(legal)
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Next time you're at your LHS....take some time to look at Airplane "brushed" motors. They have like...15 magnets, just as many rotors and just as many segments on the comm. The comm is as big around as your pinki finger!! Electric (Airplane) motors have efficiency that we could only dream of! If we could bring some of that technology into our motors.....we'd be dialed for life!!
It seems expensive to build....Example like handphones,all handphones be used for calling.But the smaller ones are usually the more expensive one.

Usually manufacturers,when they want to make something,they have to take into consideration of cost of manufacturing...Imagine 15 magnets into a 540 can,thats a tight sqeeze.
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