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Old 07-20-2005, 05:23 AM   #61
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Old 07-20-2005, 06:00 AM   #62
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think if MRT bring out a personal one that works with the analouge & digital systems all in one package
then this might give AMB some thing to think about regarding the pricing structure for there PT`s

since all races in the future will use transponder loops what ever!! MRT only have to make a transponder that works from 1-10
Q)do you actually need the long transponder no. like you do now

can you not get the MRT transponder you do now, work on digital systems??

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Old 07-20-2005, 06:23 AM   #63
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Mr Jolly,

I think that the MRT product must be as user friendly as the AMB one.

Having to change a switch from 1 to 10 for each race, is only 1/2 a product.

It needs to be as seemless as the over priced AMBrc on.

My .02 cents worth
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Old 07-20-2005, 06:28 AM   #64
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Thor, you're missing the point, to change the AMB one you have to unclip, remove and replace with an alternative. Generally you have to return the transponder after each race, even though you will use the same number next time you race (on the same day in qualifying for example).

The MRT one allows you to set the number at the beginning of qualifying and forget about it until the finals, where you have a 1 in 10 chance of keeping the same number, otherwise you just reset the device. It's the closest thing you can get to a PT on the old system.

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TraceRacing,

I was not looking at it from that point of view.

I was considering my own position, of having 3 sons racing and owning our transponders. Also our Club has no House Transponders. So guys buy there own, and the laps of those who do not have the p/t are entered manually, based on car number.

The Club is not in a position to buy 30 or so transponders.

I accept that setting the number is done only at start of day. However why settle for something less than the AMB one?

Scoping of the product is important, and the input of what users would like in paramount.

Over engineering is better, than "dumbing down" the thing.

I still believe the MRT must be as seenless as the AMBrc one.

Am I still missing the point?
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TraceRacing,

I was not looking at it from that point of view.

I was considering my own position, of having 3 sons racing and owning our transponders. Also our Club has no House Transponders. So guys buy there own, and the laps of those who do not have the p/t are entered manually, based on car number.

The Club is not in a position to buy 30 or so transponders.

I accept that setting the number is done only at start of day. However why settle for something less than the AMB one?

Scoping of the product is important, and the input of what users would like in paramount.

Over engineering is better, than "dumbing down" the thing.

I still believe the MRT must be as seenless as the AMBrc one.

Am I still missing the point?
no your not,
i know where your coming from,
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Thor, I think the MRT transponder would be as seamless as AMBrc one. Using 7 digit numbers the odds that someone has the same number is low.
If someone feels that he must have the option of changing the number, then, since most AMBrc software can learn transponder numbers, it would probably be easiest to have random number button on the transponder.

If you're still using the AMB20 system then IMO it's much easier to use the MRT transponder, you only have to use the switch on the unit to change your transponder number. Not change the whole transponder. And the handout transponder batteries sometimes die.

You wrote. "Why settle for something less than the AMB one?" Well. If you can get compatible quality at lower prices, why buy AMB one.
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i can see Thor`s point
if he has to look after 3 cars (1 he`s, 2 son`s) then ha has to remember to do `them`, could get he`s son`s to start looking afetr the own cars i suppose , then Thor could enjoy racing more

if you save money (lot`s) if buy MRT one ,which you just push & hold to set the no. you need from 1-10 no probs
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The issue is that the AMB20 and AMBRC systems are different technologies. Even AMB20 transponders will not work on AMBRC systems.

I doubt there would ever be the need to produce a transponder that works with both systems. AMB20 is pretty much dead, I don't think you can buy new transponders anymore from AMB, although MRT do do a repair service at half the price of AMB's.

The MRT transponder replaces the handout AMB20 one - simple and efficient. It does not replace PT's in use by AMBRC - not to say Terry will never design one
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I accept that setting the number is done only at start of day. However why settle for something less than the AMB one?

Scoping of the product is important, and the input of what users would like in paramount.

Over engineering is better, than "dumbing down" the thing.
Over engineering is what MRT does best, or rather designing products that do the job properly and not cutting corners to save money. You can be assured that A LOT of thought and development goes into all our products. Any PT we might design would work properly and not be "less than the AMB one".

We have recently released our Bug Booster which cures power related missed laps with AMBrc PT's ($100 PTs have regulators that only work reliably down to 4V) if AMBrc PT's were over engineered we wouldn't have needed to design a product to fix this problem.

As far as the older AMB20 systems are concerned, there are lots of clubs that still use them. There are always clubs that can't afford the cost of a new system and were it not for secondhand used systems being kept working by offering a transponder battery replacement service and a PT for use with the AMB20 system those less affluent clubs would likely lose out. As far as I know AMB20 systems are still an important part of rc racing and should be supported long term.
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Sorry Terry,

I didn't make myself clear. I did not mean that your Company MRT would "dumb down" the product.

I meant why as consumers accept anything less than the current products specs.

I had the impression that Trace_racing was happy to accept the specs of the AMB20 system, and not the better (read what you will into that) AMBrc system.

After looking at the products in the MRT stable, I am sure that any product you develop will be well thought out, and engineered to the same quality as your other products.

I think that the Bug Booster product you mention is an example of well engineered and thought out product.

I am ordering one today!

Apologies to any offence taken, that was not my intention.
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Thor_jnb thank you for your apology, it's ok I wasn't offended at all!

I misunderstood the point you was making to do with Trace_racing's comments re the AMB20 system. I think he means our T1-10 transponder works well as a PT for the AMB20 system, but as he said the AMBrc system is totally different and not compatible with the AMB20. The AMB20 is analogue and the AMBrc is digital. To make a PT compatible with both is technically a possibility but other issues are involved.

What andsetinn was saying about any limited compatibility is to do with race control software not the AMB hardware, it allows the last digit of a PT number to count. Most software I would guess has now been updated to work with the full AMBrc functionality and any PT would also have this regardless. What I was meaning is quality, reliability and being user friendly etc. For instance PT's are waterproof so despite the fact that racers in hot countries probably never race in the wet (they do in Europe etc all too often!) but PT's still need to be waterproof.
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So...If my local track uses handout transponders (I use an AMB PT with the same system though) The MRT AMB-20 Personal Transponder will work with my track's lap timing system?

How much would be total to be shipped to the US? (zip: 95134)
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BlackKat, if your local track uses AMB20 (black handout transponders) the MRT T1-10 will work with it, you plug our PT into your receiver set it on the number you want from 1 to 10 and that's it your laps will then count on the number you have set.

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BlackKat. If the AMBrc box is set to AMBrc then the MRT transponder don't work. The old AMB20 transponder also don't work with the box set to AMBrc.
If the AMBrc box is set to AMB20 then the MRT transponders works. I think that the AMBrc transponders don't work on AMB20 boxes, but I think they work on AMBrc boxes set to AMB20.

If you have two transponders with the same number the system won't work correctly. The AMBrc system has nearly 10 million numbers, the AMB20 has 10 (20) numbers. For more info see AMBs website.

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