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Old 11-27-2013, 11:54 AM   #16
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Most cars nowadays look similar but you can definitely see the differences from one generation to the next.

I'm looking at my Kyosho TF-5 stallion, BD5wx, Serpent Eryx and Xray T4'14 side by side.

The TF5 (as sleek as it once was) looks like a boat compared to the rest. The BD5x looks similar to the modern cars but closer inspection shows clumsier and longer shocks which goes with the taller shock towers compared to the modern Eryx and T4'14 which boasts lower centre of gravity.

The (outgoing) Eryx and T4'14 are of course as new as they come but both are different in designs as well. The T4'14 is using it's new exchangeable blocks as a selling point but the (maybe) 10-year-old Tf-5 Stallion already had them. So it's not new... just new to the X-ray cars.

Also there's the saying "Why change something that's not broken". Best example I can think of are the outdrives on the Kyosho TF6 which uses balls instead of dogbones. Great idea but I've seen them fail on moderate impacts, leading many to switch them out for classic dogbones.
I agree with this.

Innovation is expensive, and not everybody has 800 to go drop on a new awesomatix tc. While it may not look like cars are different, spend some quality time going over one to the next, and the differences start to appear in abundance.
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Old 11-27-2013, 12:01 PM   #17
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Regarding the Mi5 (I own one)... it is radically different from anything on the market. It's upper deck design is quite differnt then WRC's and it's suspension is very different from all existing touring cars including the Awesomatix. Drivetrain is also different than Xray, Tamiya, Yokomo etc etc. It is the newest "new type of touring car on the market" and yet comes from one of the oldest R/C companies and is a proven performer. Your search for a new type is over with the Mi5 - no other options (I did all the research already)
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Old 11-27-2013, 12:16 PM   #18
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Tamiya has used the double carbon upper frame for years on their high end drift cars.
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People who are scared to be lonely, or are jokingly retarded, can't appreciate innovation... They are eternal followers, and should not try to be anything else... The belt cars of old have a few years on the market, and the best drivers there are. The Awesomatix is in its infancy, and already waxing them... Let's just hope those who actually run the Awesomatix don't shy away from learning new things, and don't fail like somebody here failed to make the Amain with their DC4 LE !!! Don't blame the car ! Look in the mirror for that !!!!
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He sure does like the Awesomatix.
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I own an Awesomatix , and so should you !!! LoL !!!
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Old 11-27-2013, 01:19 PM   #22
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He sure does like the Awesomatix.
If you look back a couple months, the TC4 was the ultimate in technology to him.

Don't feed the trolls...

To the actual topic, and as some others have mentioned, 2 cars may look alike, but they sure drive different. Xray's seem to like to be driven aggressively, Serpent's do better with a smoother approach, Tamiya and Associated seem to be inbetween.
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Old 11-27-2013, 01:23 PM   #23
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Awesomatix = tc4 + new shocks.....
Don't feed the real troll (....)....
The Tc4 beat all the belt contenders in USGT, and almost lapped the field...

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"Chaparral 2J" Now that will be "innovation"
I've wondered about this..... 30x30 fans are getting really powerful, BUT..... is the effect enough to compensate for the added weight of a fan assembly and drastic changes needed to the chassis?
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Old 11-27-2013, 01:53 PM   #25
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Some free advice: If Bert says the sky is blue, go check. His disconnect from reality can only be described as politician-level.

On a more serious note, I have a running collection of touring cars that would be best described as diverse, at worst a little crazy. I have a TC6.1, a Diggity Designs DC4LE, a Losi JRX-S, and a Losi Type R. That's three different layouts of belt cars and a shaft car, and they all have different 'feel' and tendency to drive with various strengths and weaknesses. There is no one layout that I can point to and say "that one is the winner." If you have the car chassis and suspension sitting well with your grip, power level, and track layout, a fast driver is really what puts the car on pole.

Another problem to consider as to why the current trend of center belts, battery one side, electronics on the other is that ROAR rules state new cars must be able to accept a full-size LiPo pack. This limits innovation, but helps keep batteries universal.
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Those who hate politicians have their own agendas, conspiracy theories, etc...., but the fact remains that very good drivers have gotten faster with the A700 the first time they ran it.... That speaks volumes... Even the tc4 waxes still waxes these newer belt designs... Remember newer does not mean better, specially when the basics are still flawed...
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Officially ignored. Nice knowing you Bert. Thank you RCTech for this feature.

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Regarding the Mi5 (I own one)... it is radically different from anything on the market. It's upper deck design is quite differnt then WRC's and it's suspension is very different from all existing touring cars including the Awesomatix. Drivetrain is also different than Xray, Tamiya, Yokomo etc etc. It is the newest "new type of touring car on the market" and yet comes from one of the oldest R/C companies and is a proven performer. Your search for a new type is over with the Mi5 - no other options (I did all the research already)
Drive train different? it has a floating layshaft thats it lol, even the yokomo 2014 has that now.

suspension yea is different but even with all this "innovation" whos coming out on top still? not schumachers.

and this is the issue, all the cars..do the same thing now..
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Lots of conspirators ignore me, and that's fine ...... I race Rc cars and don't have time for much else...... Hope it's all well in Waco, just like in NY. Thanks for the support.
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I had a jrxs and it was awesome. It was a great idea at the tine to center the heaviest items. I think it would be a great idea again with some modern tweaks. Chassis flex would be an issue but I am sure that could be overcome with a good suspension design.
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