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Old 08-06-2015, 03:18 PM
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I read through the manual and it looks like the sus parts, steering uprights, etc are all sharing the same part numbers as my FWD Mini, so this will save me a lot of $.
That is one of the things I like about this brand, -it appears that a lot of the parts work between many of their models. I have noticed that quite a few parts from the full size Sabre work w/ the 4wd mini sabre. I believe all the shock parts are the same as well (but verify before you take my word on it). --I seem to remember discovering that some time ago (but maybe it was just a dream)??
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Originally Posted by Carnage9270 View Post
http://www.t2shop.de/epages/61746328...04-S4M-Lenkung

Plugs straight on and just flat out works. Although you'll need a longer turnbuckle for the steering link. Gives you much more room for your electronics. I can fit an Orca VX speedo between the motor and the servo.
Is that just the steering arms.. or does it also include the one piece servo mount
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Originally Posted by Raman View Post
Is that just the steering arms.. or does it also include the one piece servo mount
Includes everything you need for the steering rack and the servo mount. The only thing I noticed was the turnbuckle was a little bit too short that goes from the servo horn to the steering plate (They don't provide that part, I'm referring to the one that came with the stock steering). I just used a slightly longer turnbuckle and problem was solved.
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I emailed Michael at TOP USA to see if he can get this in stock.

Do you know of the part number?
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Originally Posted by eR1c View Post
That is one of the things I like about this brand, -it appears that a lot of the parts work between many of their models. I have noticed that quite a few parts from the full size Sabre work w/ the 4wd mini sabre. I believe all the shock parts are the same as well (but verify before you take my word on it). --I seem to remember discovering that some time ago (but maybe it was just a dream)??
They are the same. Hopefully I can get my hands on one soon. Ended up my NIB M01 that I ordered from overseas a week after I placed the order for the Sabre4WD Mini already arrived today.
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Originally Posted by Raman View Post
I emailed Michael at TOP USA to see if he can get this in stock.

Do you know of the part number?
The link I posted originally has the individual part numbers listed that make up the kit. They are the only ones that kitted that package. It is just individual part #'s from the S4.

TOP PO PXCH007RD - Sabre S4 4WD Tuning Alu Servohalter one piece
Item No .: 04-PO-PXCH007RD 1 piece € 21.80 *
TOP TC SCH031RD - Sabre S4 4WD steering post
Item No .: 04-TC-SCH031RD 2 pieces 8,00 € *
TOP PA HBS0505 - Sabre S4 4WD Tuning Ballheads 5.3x5mm (5 pieces)
Article No .: 04-PA-HBS0505 1 piece 7,50 € *
TOP TC SCH030RD - Sabre S4 4WD lever steering (including ball bearings)
Item No .: 04-TC-SCH030RD 2 pieces 21.60 € *
TOP TC SCH029RD - Sabre S4 4WD connecting brace Steering (inklusvie ball bearings)
Item No .: 04-TC-SCH029RD 1 piece € 10.80 *
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I received my 4WD Mini today, checked if I could match up the body post holes I drilled on my FD Mini for the Tamiya Rover Mini body.

None of the existing holes on the 4wd matched. It is off by a few mm so I can't drill holes. So I guess I will build the chassis first, and improvise..
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About halfway done on the chassis for today.



Forgot to mention that I am using the white revised o-rings in the gear diffs. Also using GreenSlime just in case.

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They race mini at Norcal hobbies this weekend. A mix of Atomic , Genetic and maybe one Top Sabre 4wd
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Originally Posted by sipaboy View Post
They race mini at Norcal hobbies this weekend. A mix of Atomic , Genetic and maybe one Top Sabre 4wd
Very cool, keep us posted how the Saber does.

BTW, has anyone actually broken the bell crank assembly? If so, I suppose I will order the aluminum one too since I will be ordering a couple more spare parts.


Here's how far I got tonight.

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I finished the chassis for the time being, no detailed setups, just ran it with a 23 teeth pinion on a silver can. It's quick, the motor heat tells me I can go 25-26 teeth pinion no issue. (All my m-chassis run silver can and kit ESC)

I noticed that the ride height is high with the springs unless I use the droop screws to force it down. I'm not sure I like this approach, but will see how it goes. I need more rake. I may add spacers inside the shock body on the front.

For now, it drives quite well, slightly tracks to the right on throttle which I will tweak out later after I put the body on.

Out of the box, easily drives better than the M-Four as the rear of the Sabre is planted.
Still not quite at the level of my CupRacer's rotation, but I think with rake and some suspension tuning it will drive better than the CupRacer.



Next up, I need to figure out how to mount the Tamiya Rover Mini body..
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Sakadachi, try Pit Shimizu inner mesh series tyres with sweep pink insert. They seat perfect on the m chassis rims and perform like Sorex tyres. They will also help with the ride height issue, since they are 55D.


For the Mini body, maybe you can use these?
https://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=54604

For springs, I'm running ride red on all four corners, which are slightly shorter than the kit springs.
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Originally Posted by Raman View Post
Sakadachi, try Pit Shimizu inner mesh series tyres with sweep pink insert. They seat perfect on the m chassis rims and perform like Sorex tyres. They will also help with the ride height issue, since they are 55D.


For the Mini body, maybe you can use these?
https://www.tamiyausa.com/product/it...oduct-id=54604

For springs, I'm running ride red on all four corners, which are slightly shorter than the kit springs.
Raman, thanks for all the tips! I will check out your suggestions later this morning.

Here's how far I got last night. I need to do some minor tweaks on the body posts and make a horizontal brace for the rear, but it fits a Tamiya Rover Mini body now.



While setting up the front height, I took out the o-ring on the front dampers to allow the spring coilover top seat to go all the way up to the top to allow less preload on the spring. I also adjusted the droop screws... only for my MiP tip to break off in the set screw. WTF! The tool is only like 2-3months old too. Definitely going back to my usual Wera and Wiha tools.

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Originally Posted by sakadachi View Post
While setting up the front height, I took out the o-ring on the front dampers to allow the spring coilover top seat to go all the way up to the top to allow less preload on the spring.
Are you referring to the oring for the shock collar? It is supposed to go inside the collar and shouldn't affect how high that collar adjusts. Basically if the shock is built correctly, the only thing that would keep the car from being set to a specific ride height would be the bottom shock eyelet. I'll take a look at mine and see what I built mine to. I want to say 62mm but I may be confusing it with my other car.
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Originally Posted by Carnage9270 View Post
Are you referring to the oring for the shock collar? It is supposed to go inside the collar and shouldn't affect how high that collar adjusts. Basically if the shock is built correctly, the only thing that would keep the car from being set to a specific ride height would be the bottom shock eyelet. I'll take a look at mine and see what I built mine to. I want to say 62mm but I may be confusing it with my other car.
I'm looking at p14 of the assembly manual, the horizontally positioned exploded illustration of the damper assembly. There is a o-ring that goes on top of the height adjustment spring seat. I couldn't figure out why TOP has it this way, but assembled it per instructions.

I removed that o-ring to allow the height spring seat to go all the way up the damper housing.

Their FINISHED illustration, looking at it now, does not show the o-ring above the height adjustment spring seat.

My SabreFD Mini dampers do not have those o-rings, so I'm going to remove them off the 4WD Mini's rear as well as there is absolutely no droop at the moment at the height I have it set at... which is around 8mm on the rear.

5mm front / 8mm rear is what I have set right now. I want a few mm of droop if possible.

I should check out the Ride red springs Raman mentioned.

As for the broken MIP tip stuck my droop setscrew, I think I'm going to remove the arm off the car and see if I can force another set screw from the top to screw it out from the bottom.
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