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Old 10-25-2013, 01:23 PM   #16
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Yeah honestly I don't get that...personally I want the pro-level drivers in my class. That way I can learn from watching them run the same thing I am and can get better informed information on what setups are working. Does that mean the A main will be packed with pros...sure...but that's what Mains are for! If the A main is all pros and I make the B main I'm really happy because that's like making the A main for us regular people. My goal going to the big races isn't to make the A main...I know where my skill level is at and my lack of carpet racing on a regular basis makes that near impossible. My goal is to have fun and do better than I did in years before.
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So I'm sure this has been said..but I'm all about a Spec tire and a LIMIT to tire sets...like other big races you only get X sets of tires you can use in a weekend. 3 Sets of tires for 4 qualifiers and 1 main.
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IMO, I would say no as well. Part of racing r/c is trying to figure out what does and doesn't work at any race that a person decides to attend. Personally, I like to be able to choose/select the tires/brands that work well for me at a given track. It is not like 12th scale tires are overly expensive and I usually have many different shore tires with me when I do run 12th scale.
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I would definitely support this. Stock classes should use a certain combo and leave mod open.
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Old 10-25-2013, 01:51 PM   #20
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I knew that would get that reaction. and I never said chase out drivers or kick them out, just said that wouldn't be a bad thing if a spec tire caused some drivers at the highest level to move upward. James you said it your self, you'd move to a higher class if stock went to a spec tire. I know its generally a controversial topic, and there are good points on both sides.

In the end, I am sure 99% of the folks would still run stock even with spec tire, once the drama of the move faded.
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Old 10-25-2013, 02:17 PM   #21
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I'm not in favor of dumbing down 1/12th scale to make it easier. Most of the arguments for spec tires don't hold water. If you think you need to bring a ton of different tires to a big race you haven't done your homework.

Spec tires work in WGT and probably could work to some degree in 1/12th, but why should we mess with the best racing class in RC? Tire choice does make 1/12th more difficult and that is the way it should be
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Old 10-25-2013, 05:42 PM   #22
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A few thoughts about this

If like many of us, one chose to run two 12th classes, say Stock/Superstock
You would normally run the same tires/setup in both
By running Spec Stock/Superstock, now you have 2 different setups, and 2 different sets of tires to rotate thru/true/purchase

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Yokomo and Tamiya cars have unique wheel off-set needs

While I can see both sides, there are a few points that are not favorable to a spec tire 12th class

And just to put this out there
How many Sedan guys would run 12th stock at a BIG race, in addition to all the sedan classes they normally run
That's really the question here right ?
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Old 10-25-2013, 05:48 PM   #23
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This would be GREAT! This is the reason why I have shyed away from 12th Scale.
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Old 10-26-2013, 08:06 AM   #24
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A few thoughts about this

If like many of us, one chose to run two 12th classes, say Stock/Superstock
You would normally run the same tires/setup in both
is this a good thing? the classes are so close that the same setup and tires work in each.....i've also said many time that the middle class in 1/12 needs to be 10.5, but that discussion is for a different thread.

so would this effect your decision to run a certain race or not? lets say you were planning on running stock 1/12 at roar nats this year in omaha (which is awesome, by the way) and roar decided to go spec tire in stock 1/12 for nats..... would you not go, go and run stock, or go and run 13.5 instead? or if you were not planning on running stock 1/12, would you if it were a spec tire?
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Old 10-26-2013, 11:01 AM   #25
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is this a good thing? the classes are so close that the same setup and tires work in each.....i've also said many time that the middle class in 1/12 needs to be 10.5, but that discussion is for a different thread.

so would this effect your decision to run a certain race or not? lets say you were planning on running stock 1/12 at roar nats this year in omaha (which is awesome, by the way) and roar decided to go spec tire in stock 1/12 for nats..... would you not go, go and run stock, or go and run 13.5 instead? or if you were not planning on running stock 1/12, would you if it were a spec tire?
Omaha does look superb Mario

13.5 is at the limit of my control, 10.5 would be more fun than mod though at my level

I should state for clarity, in the Tamiya TCS GT12 class we run Tamiya only tires/wheels it's not entirely spec, but it does save $$ and eliminate options for the many surfaces the series travels to, asphalt, carpet, etc
So I'm not entirely opposed to the idea

Perhaps I'm naive, but I don't see the benefit of a 12th spec tire for a carpet surface that we all know and run on at every race
Yes it works wonders in WGT, and I love me some WGT, but look at the size of those wheels, what foam wouldn't work there

The apprehension of Spec Rubber Tire Sedan drivers looking into open tire 12th scale racing is understandable, however, the question is, how many would actually stay with 12th scale racing solely due to spec foam ?
Are they going to buy tire truers, and get in to all the pan car tuning stuff they endlessly gripe about ?
There are a few posting in this thread, but would it off-set the few that drop the class with cars that cannot physically run the spec wheels being considered ?

Would I race IIC or Nat's with spec tires ?
I'd try it once, maybe, though feeling something inside of me died a little knowing the class I love and started RC with had finally been defiled like so many other things in life
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Old 10-26-2013, 11:36 AM   #26
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...Would I race IIC or Nat's with spec tires ?
I'd try it once, maybe, though feeling something inside of me died a little knowing the class I love and started RC with had finally been defiled like so many other things in life
My feelings exactly. Not that the one change would keep me from trying it once, but IMO it would be the beginning of the end of the best RC racing class. Next someone will want to shorten the races to 6 minutes , or something equally distasteful.

1/12th racing is healthy, entry levels are good (particularly at big events), so why try to change a good formula. Leave 1/12th alone
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:55 AM   #27
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I would fully support spec tires for 1/12 stock racing. Ive been racing 1/12 for 27 years, and the only thing I dislike is carrying all the different tire combos. 17.5 is a spec class, only makes sense to spec the tire compound as well. If it worked, all the main stream tire manufacturers would sell the tires just like they do for world gt.

Folks who like to play with tires can just run 13.5. Its not that much different in blinky mode anyway.

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Personally, I think that a spec tire could be good for 17.5 1/12th. One of the very best things about WGT is that one can run a whole weekend at a big race on just 1 (or maybe 2) sets of lilac spec tires. That means no indecision about tires and very minimal tire cost for the event. What's not to like? For the faster 12th classes, having an open tire choice does seem prudent and necessary. But for 17.5......cutting cost, adding simplicity, and bringing the field closer together in terms of equipment would seem to be something well worth trying out at a big race or two. If it doesn't work out or if the majority of guys find it to be detrimental, then the experiment would not need to be revisited. It is a pretty safe bet that one of the usual race sponsors (like perhaps CRC, or Jaco, or Trinity, or maybe even one of the many new players in the pancar tire market) would jump at the opportunity of being chosen to sponsor a big event and to supply the spec 1/12th tires for said race (probably at a very attractive price to the race promoter and/or the racers). Spec tires may not be THE answer for 1/12th scale, but the suggestion does seem like something worth trying out once or twice even if only to see how it goes.
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Personally, I don't see this happening unless it happens to all 12th scale classes at once. And if that is what people want and they can find a spec tire that works for 17.5 and Mod 12th, etc, then I will go along with it without complaining... and I will continue running 17.5/Stock.

But this whole "let's run a spec tire in Stock only" stuff is ridiculous. 12th scale is the only on-road class left that allows tuning with tire compounds. And the #s aren't suffering.

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Old 11-05-2013, 08:39 PM   #30
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Im down if Ficco trues all my tires! I dont have a truer anymore.
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