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Old 03-02-2014, 08:56 AM   #301
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All the TC classes are too fast. 17.5 is way too fast for "stock" these days. 17.5 should be the middle class and 25.5 or 21.5 for "stock". Or go to life packs across the board.
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The challenge with 'mod' is the limitless power. You can run a 6.5 in mod, and be faster than 17.5/13.5 -- and be more consistent than a 5.0 -- but some people cannot handle motoring down. sometimes that is the right choice -- even when your car is handling well.
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Old 03-02-2014, 09:22 AM   #302
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I feel like lowering voltage will just turn it into a 3.5+boost game like mod 1/12. Harder on equipment without much if any reduction in speed. It might help slow the stock classes though.
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Old 03-02-2014, 09:43 AM   #303
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Entry level sedan should be 25.5 and Super stock stays 13.5. You guys defending sandbagging is almost as bad as the companies that support sandbagging.

I applaud the guys that are stepping up and running modified. It takes balls, skill, and confidence in yourself to do so. Seems like the US drivers sandbagging still lack all three of those characteristics.

Lundberg hit it on the head, modified is not well represented at this race. A lot of us drivers that would run mod went to Snowbirds. Some of us have jobs and responsibilities. The turn around from Snowbirds to Carpet Nats was too quick.

Pro tip for you guys that think mod is too hard to drive: Dont charge your battery up all the way.
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Old 03-02-2014, 10:07 AM   #304
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I'd like to thank Chris Goetz for his fantastic announcing.
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I'd like to thank Chris Goetz for his fantastic announcing.
I'll vouch for the fact that Chris is magic with his mouth.
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Crap guys. Lemieux just put me two laps down in A1. Guess my mod career is over. Anyone got a VTA car for sale?
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Crap guys. Lemieux just put me two laps down in A1. Guess my mod career is over. Anyone got a VTA car for sale?
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Any class that needs to attract new racers through guilt, shame, and questioning their manhood is fundamentally broken. Sorry.
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Old 03-02-2014, 11:04 AM   #309
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Any class that needs to attract new racers through guilt, shame, and questioning their manhood is fundamentally broken. Sorry.
I can't think of anyone who would be attracted by those methods.

And I'm not sure I'd want to race with them, if in fact it worked!
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I think if touring sedan was run on foam tires you would see the class separation you would expect. As it is know we have more power in the mod class than the rubber tires are able to consistently transfer to the carpet. To much hp for rubber
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That would be awesome ! I might have to run mod also then
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well... IMO, if I want to go to "big" race and have "fun" I run mod. cause I already know I'm in the B,C, or D main and don't give a rip.

If I wanna "race" I run stock. its way more "work" for me and the results are more rewarding. but that's probably just me...
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Mod will always be a smaller class than 17.5. No way to argue around that.

The real issue is the overall turnout for ROAR onroad nationals. I started racing again two years ago and the paved nats were held at my local track which is 15 min from my house. I didn't run them because of the time commitment. Turnout was low at that race and every ROAR onroad nats I've looked at since then and most likely way before then. The luster just isn't there for these races and it's time to start to change the format of the race to improve turnout, not change or offer different classes. If turnouts start to improve and longer races are justified that's OK, heck, that's fantastic, but right now and for some time that hasn't been the case.

Make these three day races. Friday practice, qualifying on Saturday and mains on Sunday. That's plenty of time to get 3x the turnout that they are getting through the track and I strongly believe that it would help improve turnouts. People simply can't afford, financially or time wise, the investment to run at a 5-day event.

The birds and IIC are destination races that offer much more for the racers and can justify the long races with their continued good turnout and stability for locations. Good for them and I hope that continues.
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Congrats to all the winners, I wish I could have made it, I love that place!

For mod in the US vs Europe, everyone seems to forget the tracks they run on are a lot bigger than what we mostly have here. They also rarely run on tracks with boards and the lanes are much wider. So this makes it easier for the average guy to get his car around the track with out looking like a moron. Im not saying they will be closer to the leaders but they will feel more comfortable doing it. Here you have a 90x40 track with 7 foot lanes and its extremely difficult for the average guy to run a 5.0 motor on a track that size.

Plus Americans are generally lazy and want to do the easiest thing with the least amount of work. So to run a 17.5 its easier to get the car around the track and look like you are doing compared to mod. Not that its easier to be competitive at the top at big races but for general club racing its easier and requires less practice, to get around just ok and feel good about yourself.
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