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Old 10-03-2013, 08:37 AM   #31
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2014 Idea to bypass ROAR ruling?

Incorporate a shorty pack with a speed control in the back part of the lipo...

= full size lipo, but only part of the case has the lipo cells!

Epic win?

There are always ways to bend those rules!
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Old 10-03-2013, 09:43 AM   #32
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To create a level playing field for the 99% of drivers who have cars over this weight and who don't want to spend a load more money reducing the weight.
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2014 Idea to bypass ROAR ruling?

Incorporate a shorty pack with a speed control in the back part of the lipo...

= full size lipo, but only part of the case has the lipo cells!

Epic win?

There are always ways to bend those rules!
So when you replace your lipo you have to replace your ESC too? No thanks.

I think the rule was put in place not just because of the standard size shorty pack, but to prevent a company from making a chassis that only one special battery would fit.

The minimum weight rule makes perfect sense for stock.
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Old 10-04-2013, 12:04 AM   #34
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What they could easily do is to say: Who uses a roar homologated shorty pack is allowed to a minimum weight of 1250gr.! This would make things easy and drivers could think about trading power with corner speed.

This way would open a space for drivers and manufacturers (Schumacher and Awesomatrix already have shorty lipo ready TCs). Time will show if it takes over or not. Like in F1 where turbocharged engines were allowed a long time before one team tried it
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So when you replace your lipo you have to replace your ESC too? No thanks.

I think the rule was put in place not just because of the standard size shorty pack, but to prevent a company from making a chassis that only one special battery would fit.

The minimum weight rule makes perfect sense for stock.
Well the thought I had was for there to be an empty cut out where an ESC could "drop in" to the lipo.

Not a great idea, but a possible one
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2014 Idea to bypass ROAR ruling?

Incorporate a shorty pack with a speed control in the back part of the lipo...

= full size lipo, but only part of the case has the lipo cells!

Epic win?

There are always ways to bend those rules!
Doesn't orion have that lipo already. Shorty weight transfer system? Also, can't you just flip the motor mount so the motor is on the lipo side with the shorty? But I think that its too much of a weight transfer from left to right.
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Doesn't orion have that lipo already. Shorty weight transfer system? Also, can't you just flip the motor mount so the motor is on the lipo side with the shorty? But I think that its too much of a weight transfer from left to right.
Ah yes, kind of.

But I was wondering if lipo manufacturers could design a lipo with a cutout where you can insert an ESC.

Obviously the lipo casing will need some cooling around that part of the case, so maybe that's why it hasn't been something lipo manufactures have ever gone into production with.

Or, as you say with Orions idea - could load it up with weight instead.

The only benefit is to keep the lipo as a full size pack but optimise the weight balance with it. If the cell is full size, then it meets ROAR rules
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Ah yes, kind of.

But I was wondering if lipo manufacturers could design a lipo with a cutout where you can insert an ESC.

Obviously the lipo casing will need some cooling around that part of the case, so maybe that's why it hasn't been something lipo manufactures have ever gone into production with.

Or, as you say with Orions idea - could load it up with weight instead.

The only benefit is to keep the lipo as a full size pack but optimise the weight balance with it. If the cell is full size, then it meets ROAR rules
I think I'm beginning to be on the same wave as you. I think the easier route would be switching the servo position instead. (Floating type servo mounts only!!!!) I tried it on my Capricorn TE01 with minor clearance issue. with that mod, I'm at 53/47 L/R weight with 42/58 F/R weight without any lead weights on the car yet. putting the esc on the other side in my opinion is retarded. longer motor wires and unnecessary weight.
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http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric...er-mi5-95.html
here is a pic off my mi5 with shorty
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The only benefit is to keep the lipo as a full size pack but optimise the weight balance with it. If the cell is full size, then it meets ROAR rules
There is nothing in the ROAR rules that state you must use a full size lipo pack, just that you should be able to fit a full size lipo in there without any chassis modifications. There's also nothing in the rule that says you can't stick your ESC or receiver where the battery pack is intended to fit. I posted a link to the clarification of this from ROAR earlier in the thread.
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I, myself and me, have ran shorty packs with the esc behind it, at Roar Nationals and the Reedy Race of Champions.. and made the A main. DONE

if its against Roar rules, someone should tell them...
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Whats the point in running shorty then adding lead to make weight?
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Whats the point in running shorty then adding lead to make weight?
You get to put the weight anywhere you want for f/r l/r balance.

racing 101: having to add piles of ballast is good.

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