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F. Mendoza 08-20-2013 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by theclutch (Post 12468403)
He's a US citizen... [email protected]?! I'm having a very difficult time believing that. But who knows, maybe so!

But "living here in CA" and being a US citizen are two entirely different things. He could have had a temporary visa, etc.



+1 Very very highly unlikely, in my outside opinion, for him to join Tamiya.



Highly unlikely... if he has aspirations of doing this, then he will sacrifice his driving... drivers should be drivers. They can provide input into the design and even design it themselves, but it takes a lot more than designing a car to get it into production. He'll never have the time to do the races anymore. IMHO, I think his best bet would be to be THE elite driver of a manufacturer who already has the operations established. From a business standpoint, Traxxas, Xray and Durango probably are best bets.



The more I think about this, the more I realize that Tamiya has done fantastic in touring cars but not in any of the other offroad categories... Hmmm.... maybe this would make sense after all since he would seriously elevate Tamiya in offroad?

Why would this seem very dificult to believe? Just curious.

silden 08-20-2013 09:31 PM

he is Japanese and I believe they don't allow a 2nd citizenship like Germany and other Countrys. And is hard to believe that he throws away the japanese passport for any other.
May he got a greencard and than you can stay here to.

wingracer 08-20-2013 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by Stratus Racer (Post 12468494)
Why would this seem very dificult to believe? Just curious.

You don't just come to the U.S., say "hey I want to be a citizen", fill out a few forms and bingo, you're in. For one thing, you have to be a permanent resident for 5 years before you can even apply. And even after that, the process can take a couple more years. I don't know how long he was here but I don't think it was that long.

ToysRUsKid 08-20-2013 09:47 PM


Originally Posted by wingracer (Post 12468517)
You don't just come to the U.S., say "hey I want to be a citizen", fill out a few forms and bingo, you're in. For one thing, you have to be a permanent resident for 5 years before you can even apply. And even after that, the process can take a couple more years. I don't know how long he was here but I don't think it was that long.

I was going to say "that's not true" but after a few seconds of thought, you are correct. :D

Leester 08-20-2013 10:25 PM

Going to Tamiya may not be as far fetched as you may think. Rhinehard and Wilk have both been running "outlaw" 417 V5's this year using the Raceberry chassis. Kio Suzuki (Tamiya) usually wrenches on Mark's car at the Reedy race and this year he worked with Sobu instead. Since when do you stiff a World Champ to work on a relative new comers car? I'm sure there is some type of friction caused by Mark and Victor running non Tamiya parts even if it's only on occasion. Seems like a message may have been sent by Tamiya saying "no help from the factory if you don't support us 100%"? Mark didn't need much help that weekend though as he pretty much kicked everyone's butt at will and walked away with the title wrenching on his own car.
Getting a Japanese native like Hara running for their program would be huge. If nothing else Tamiya using discussions with him might send a warning shot over the bow of the boat that there are other world class drivers available willing to run 100% Tamiya product to support the brand. Also, a dual contract with Tamiya and Mugen covering almost all of the bases between electric and nitro seems logical. Hara would be an invaluable addition to the design team to bolster Tamiya's relatively new off road program and their ventures into 12th scale, not to mention a fresh look and perspective into revamping their top end on road car that seems to have fallen behind competitively in recent years compared to the Yokomo BD-7.
Guess only time will tell what is going to happen, but there may be a big shake up in the upper echelons of Pro RC Drivers making moves from one company to another as a result of Hara's decision to leave HPI-Hot Bodies.

As far as Hara being a US Citizen, I doubt it. He's been living in the Philippines for the last few years. I think just from an income tax stand point, California is not where you want to live. They'd take too much of his income in taxes. It's probably one of the major reasons for him choosing the Philippines to live. Taxes and the cost of living are faaaar cheaper there according to my Philippine friends who live here in the US.

silden 08-20-2013 11:36 PM


Originally Posted by Leester (Post 12468663)
Going to Tamiya may not be as far fetched as you may think. Rhinehard and Wilk have both been running "outlaw" 417 V5's this year using the Raceberry chassis. Kio Suzuki (Tamiya) usually wrenches on Mark's car at the Reedy race and this year he worked with Sobu instead. Since when do you stiff a World Champ to work on a relative new comers car? I'm sure there is some type of friction caused by Mark and Victor running non Tamiya parts even if it's only on occasion. Seems like a message may have been sent by Tamiya saying "no help from the factory if you don't support us 100%"? Mark didn't need much help that weekend though as he pretty much kicked everyone's butt at will and walked away with the title wrenching on his own car.
Getting a Japanese native like Hara running for their program would be huge. If nothing else Tamiya using discussions with him might send a warning shot over the bow of the boat that there are other world class drivers available willing to run 100% Tamiya product to support the brand. Also, a dual contract with Tamiya and Mugen covering almost all of the bases between electric and nitro seems logical. Hara would be an invaluable addition to the design team to bolster Tamiya's relatively new off road program and their ventures into 12th scale, not to mention a fresh look and perspective into revamping their top end on road car that seems to have fallen behind competitively in recent years compared to the Yokomo BD-7.
Guess only time will tell what is going to happen, but there may be a big shake up in the upper echelons of Pro RC Drivers making moves from one company to another as a result of Hara's decision to leave HPI-Hot Bodies.

As far as Hara being a US Citizen, I doubt it. He's been living in the Philippines for the last few years. I think just from an income tax stand point, California is not where you want to live. They'd take too much of his income in taxes. It's probably one of the major reasons for him choosing the Philippines to live. Taxes and the cost of living are faaaar cheaper there according to my Philippine friends who live here in the US.

To the raceberry conversion of Marc's and Victor's cars:
Tamiya Germany/Europe allowed them to run the car like this, they are professional drivers and they will not brake their contracts to win a race.

I think we all put to much in to the whole Hara leaving HPI/HB theme and loosing sight of the reality, me too.
For my self I'll wait and in a couple of weeks we will see what he will do.

teamstrc 08-20-2013 11:48 PM

I'll throw my 2 cents in :D

....Maybe he will race for Amain Hobbies like some drivers are already doing. Free to run what ever chassis and class you want.

Kyosho and Serpent probably can't afford him. AE, Tamiya, Losi are way full with their A-team of drivers. Durango/Great Plane probably don't suit him as there's too much red tape to get things done (remember, Hara-san for all his years at HPI/HB pretty much go direct to boss man)...xray seem to like a good option, but I just don't feel that one happening.

or he just might go back to Yokomo (I believe his WC title in touring car was with Yokomo)

....I'll just email him and ask, see what he says :lol:

cyanyde 08-21-2013 12:17 AM

Xray needs a champ like Hara and they can afford it. Especially in South Asia where there aren't any big names representing Xray and Hara's seen this side pretty often... But who knows...

seankyew 08-21-2013 12:38 AM


Originally Posted by Leester (Post 12468663)

As far as Hara being a US Citizen, I doubt it. He's been living in the Philippines for the last few years. I think just from an income tax stand point, California is not where you want to live. They'd take too much of his income in taxes. It's probably one of the major reasons for him choosing the Philippines to live. Taxes and the cost of living are faaaar cheaper there according to my Philippine friends who live here in the US.

I thought Hara was based in Thailand, same as Jilles?

TryHard 08-21-2013 01:24 AM


Originally Posted by seankyew (Post 12468853)
I thought Hara was based in Thailand, same as Jilles?

Correct. Based out of the Ride offices at RC Addict in Bangkok pretty much.

cyanyde 08-21-2013 01:36 AM

"Atsushi Hara, who only last Friday made the shock announcement that he was leaving HB, has taken the opening round of qualifying at the FEMCA 1:8 Offroad Championships in China. Racing a Mugen, which the former World Champion went out and bought himself in a hobby shop in Thailand..." - RedRC

So he actually bought it!

Bishop 08-21-2013 02:02 AM

I think a lot of you over estimate this concept of him being given anything and everything RC, from what I have seen, it just does not work like that, and I can't see the value in any company just randomly sending him cars etc when he does not 'work' for them, being that specifically he likely 'works' for the competition most of the time.

G-rem 08-21-2013 02:08 AM

Exclusive interview made by Red RC:

+ YouTube Video
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cyanyde 08-21-2013 02:13 AM


Originally Posted by Bishop (Post 12468929)
I think a lot of you over estimate this concept of him being given anything and everything RC, from what I have seen, it just does not work like that, and I can't see the value in any company just randomly sending him cars etc when he does not 'work' for them, being that specifically he likely 'works' for the competition most of the time.

+1

Alonso will have to buy a Mercedes if he wants one.

Geberit 08-21-2013 02:29 AM


Originally Posted by G-rem (Post 12468936)
Exclusive interview made by Red RC:

+ YouTube Video
ERROR: If you can see this, then YouTube is down or you don't have Flash installed.

RC industry is week at the moment from his statement. Maybe HB has no money to pay his salary. I heard some rumors SP is also not in best financial shape ...what actually surprised me.


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