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Old 07-26-2013, 04:45 PM   #346
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I run both stock and mod ....in stock I'm an Amain contender in my club ....in mod I'm a b main runner ....I gotta say from my experience it takes alot more skill to run mod then run stock ....I picked up stock in no time.


There's a reason there's slower classes in real 1:1 racing ...the most skilled get to run the fast class....now if your a mod runner and getting lapped 3 or more times then it's time to go back down to stock .

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Old 07-26-2013, 04:48 PM   #347
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More to the point, where are all the entries at big races? I am reading on this thread that mod is doing well in different parts of the country. That is great to hear. However, the race results do not show as much enthusiasm. Most of the races I looked at did not get more than 20 cars, out side the IIC race. They got 25, to 39 13.5 cars.

I originally asked if an American ETS style race would be better with 13.5 open as a top class and 17.5 blinky as the under card. I never said get rid of mod, my question was more of trying to get opinions on what is viable as an event, and what might bring better racing.
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Old 07-26-2013, 04:50 PM   #348
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The real issue is:Everyone thinks they can win
It's kind of like slot machines at the casino. A lot fewer people would play them if they knew they were never going to win. It's pretty much the fabric of why there's even a competitive segment to this hobby. If we started handing out trophies before the race, people would stop showing up.
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Old 07-26-2013, 04:51 PM   #349
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Veteran racers who constantly win in stock is what is killing the racing.Not the speeds of modified. The cars are faster than the traction that they can provide. Locally our 17.5 class has grown over 100% since our top guys have moved out.

Anyone who excels in 17.5 who throws a 5.0 in their car and gears it correctly with no boost or turbo, can get around the track after a month of practice. No excuses! Stop sandbagging and let the next guy win a race or two while you challenge yourself.
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Old 07-26-2013, 04:53 PM   #350
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I originally asked if an American ETS style race would be better with 13.5 open as a top class and 17.5 blinky as the under card. I never said get rid of mod, my question was more of trying to get opinions on what is viable as an event, and what might bring better racing.
I definitely think an American Stock Series would be popular. I'd do my best to attend every one that was indoor.
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Veteran racers who constantly win in stock is what is killing the racing.Not the speeds of modified. The cars are faster than the traction that they can provide. Locally our 17.5 class has grown over 100% since our top guys have moved out.

Anyone who excels in 17.5 who throws a 5.0 in their car and gears it correctly with no boost or turbo, can get around the track after a month of practice. No excuses! Stop sandbagging and let the next guy win a race or two while you challenge yourself.
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More to the point, where are all the entries at big races? I am reading on this thread that mod is doing well in different parts of the country. That is great to hear. However, the race results do not show as much enthusiasm. Most of the races I looked at did not get more than 20 cars, out side the IIC race. They got 25, to 39 13.5 cars.

I originally asked if an American ETS style race would be better with 13.5 open as a top class and 17.5 blinky as the under card. I never said get rid of mod, my question was more of trying to get opinions on what is viable as an event, and what might bring better racing.
In all fairness to everyone, there are other factors aside from enthusiasm that dictate why turnouts have been low. It seems to me that you aren't considering them with this statement. The fact that many don't have the same disposable income as yester-year is a huge factor amongst many others that can be easily figured out which would answer your question.
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In all fairness to everyone, there are other factors aside from enthusiasm that dictate why turnouts have been low. It seems to me that you aren't considering them with this statement. The fact that many don't have the same disposable income as yester-year is a huge factor amongst many others that can be easily figured out which would answer your question.
There seems to be plenty of people willing to run 17.5. Overall turnouts are lower, yes. At the same time, Snowbirds was offering 3 different 17.5 classes in sedan a few years ago.
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I definitely think an American Stock Series would be popular. I'd do my best to attend every one that was indoor.
The ASS series
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The ASS series
I like it
Syndrome would definitely be all up on that ASS
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Old 07-26-2013, 06:37 PM   #356
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Diff balls deep.
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Lmao u guys r crackin me up
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I know, I know... I'm just harassing the lappers now.

I really agree with something you said earlier, about making it a lifestyle. That's probably the truest thing that's been said in here. You pretty much have to dedicate yourself to it, and even then only the best among us will be able to truly handle it.
Haha, you bit..

Certainly true the second part of the statement. It is in some respects a lifestyle choice. I prefer to run mod, as I like the power and feel. Would I be much slower running stock? Nope, not by much, but that's my choice, which is a good thing
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I do prefer running MOD just the fact i destroy my car racing 17.5 because I tend too push it to its limit lol.. On MOD I drive conservative cause I know the power is there when I need it... I had more fun running MOD in big races cause I know when I get beat by the other driver they are just better than me, However in stock class when a sponsored guy drive pass by you down the straight, you just scratch your head and think how the heck he's faster than me when you run the same motor and Speedcontrol that's what I don't like about stock class in a big race...
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I do prefer running MOD just the fact i destroy my car racing 17.5 because I tend too push it to its limit lol.. On MOD I drive conservative cause I know the power is there when I need it... I had more fun running MOD in big races cause I know when I get beat by the other driver they are just better than me, However in stock class when a sponsored guy drive pass by you down the straight, you just scratch your head and think how the heck he's faster than me when you run the same motor and Speedcontrol that's what I don't like about stock class in a big race...
and that is the problem with "stock". Its not really about being equal. Its that there shouldn't be a difference of what can be purchased over the counter to the equipment that is available to team drivers. I know the manufacturers feel they need to do it for competitive edge in selling their brand, but it is eroding part of what stock racing is. Which is why you see many spending much more than mod racers on motors, esc's and batteries. There are viable solutions that could be put in place to negate these differences, they just aren't as profitable to the manufacturers the way they are used to gaining an edge in selling to us. The color of your motor is not as important as it being faster or more powerful, or reliable. How would they do if the difference of why you bought a motor was just color? I think we all understand that the manufacturers need to sell equipment regularly to stay in business, and we need them to stay in business to produce equipment for us to use. Its finding the right balance that is important. If the motors all had the same power and speed output, the focus could shift to reliability, weight, design and color too or maybe even cost.
Of course when the stock power difference issues gets resolved, then the differences in chassis design, shaft vs belt etc. will start, so, maybe there is no real good answer. I'll keep racing mod, I'm enjoying it, it pushes me to be precise in my driving and car set up, and spending less on some parts (motors, esc's and batteries), but more on tires. Eh, we must be racing.
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