Big Races: Target Audience?
06-22-2013, 12:04 PM
#61
Now, on to my second point about stock racing.
Stock racing makes up, what, 90% of on-road club racing? I like watching the top guys battle it out in mod, I think it's a spectacular show of talent, but for me, personally, a guy that buys all of his stuff at 100% full price (RCMARKET is my anti-sponsor), I don't really feel that strongly about what equipment those guys run. And I think a lot of racers like me realize that at some point, you can make pretty much anything work well enough to be competitive. Even if a company has a sub-par product, if they get the right people using it, they can win, or at least do well, and give the illusion that their product would also be competitive in the hands of the average racer. It's a fallacy.
Technology in racing comes from the bottom up. The bashing trends become the stock trends become the mod trends. Look at LiPo, brushless, boost, etc. And yet, stock racing is the red-headed step-child of RC racing. I get that it doesn't have the star factor and the glamour of mod, whatever that's worth, but when it comes down to making smart choices about your equipment, buying everything the top guys run is rarely the right decision for the kinds of people that are actually out there racing as their hobby.
Stock racing makes up, what, 90% of on-road club racing? I like watching the top guys battle it out in mod, I think it's a spectacular show of talent, but for me, personally, a guy that buys all of his stuff at 100% full price (RCMARKET is my anti-sponsor), I don't really feel that strongly about what equipment those guys run. And I think a lot of racers like me realize that at some point, you can make pretty much anything work well enough to be competitive. Even if a company has a sub-par product, if they get the right people using it, they can win, or at least do well, and give the illusion that their product would also be competitive in the hands of the average racer. It's a fallacy.
Technology in racing comes from the bottom up. The bashing trends become the stock trends become the mod trends. Look at LiPo, brushless, boost, etc. And yet, stock racing is the red-headed step-child of RC racing. I get that it doesn't have the star factor and the glamour of mod, whatever that's worth, but when it comes down to making smart choices about your equipment, buying everything the top guys run is rarely the right decision for the kinds of people that are actually out there racing as their hobby.
06-22-2013, 12:34 PM
#64
I would be very interested to see someone like Rick, Paul, Volker, Etc. "step down" to a "Stock" race and see how everyone does now a days. Do you really think they would be lapping the field against someone like Brad Johnson or someone who has won pretty much everything stock.
But results are similar
Cream rises to the top
06-22-2013, 01:43 PM
#65
wow.. 98% consistant is the pretty damning number lol. but a surprise that 80% still makes the amain at a big event. maybe im not as far away from those races as i thought ha.
making the fast guys slower doesnt really bring things closer. fast guys will always be faster than the rest. but maybe pros should have their own class. let the rest of us have a chance to win something.
Make the PROS race in an S rank class with the next fastest being the A ect.
making the fast guys slower doesnt really bring things closer. fast guys will always be faster than the rest. but maybe pros should have their own class. let the rest of us have a chance to win something.
Make the PROS race in an S rank class with the next fastest being the A ect.
06-22-2013, 02:13 PM
#66
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wow.. 98% consistant is the pretty damning number lol. but a surprise that 80% still makes the amain at a big event. maybe im not as far away from those races as i thought ha.
making the fast guys slower doesnt really bring things closer. fast guys will always be faster than the rest. but maybe pros should have their own class. let the rest of us have a chance to win something.
Make the PROS race in an S rank class with the next fastest being the A ect.
making the fast guys slower doesnt really bring things closer. fast guys will always be faster than the rest. but maybe pros should have their own class. let the rest of us have a chance to win something.
Make the PROS race in an S rank class with the next fastest being the A ect.
06-22-2013, 07:08 PM
#68
Funny, if 1 or 2 drivers from yokomo and HB had turned up people would would be talking about how great the event was and how strong onroad in the US is 
I think Marc's comments have been taken out of context, most of the criticisms I heard were directed at the manufacturers that didn't support the event, and not at the event itself.
I'll hopefully make it back next year, and I'm willing to bet with the WC in the US later in the year that it's going to be a big race!
I think Marc's comments have been taken out of context, most of the criticisms I heard were directed at the manufacturers that didn't support the event, and not at the event itself.
I'll hopefully make it back next year, and I'm willing to bet with the WC in the US later in the year that it's going to be a big race!
06-23-2013, 08:18 AM
#70
Anybody else remember big race turnouts with over 300 entries that equated to 300 people, rather than the 300 entries and 110 guys we see today? You ran stock OR mod, and you were proud to have won the c-main in your class.
Oh, and when I was a kid I had to walk barefoot, in the snow, 5 miles uphill, to and from school.
06-23-2013, 10:48 AM
#71
I would be very interested to see someone like Rick, Paul, Volker, Etc. "step down" to a "Stock" race and see how everyone does now a days. Do you really think they would be lapping the field against someone like Brad Johnson or someone who has won pretty much everything stock.
When you drop the fast guys down a level, they will not have as big an advantage, Put the top 10 NASCAR drivers in Street Stocks at the local speedway and I would not expect them to sweep the top 10. But allow them to run it for a while, chances are they will .
06-23-2013, 08:34 PM
#72
The rest have ALWAYS had a chance at winning something. In the old days it was the B, C, D etc. mains. Now it's VTA, Mini, USGT, F1, 17.5 TC, 13.5 TC, Spec Slash, the list goes on and on.
Anybody else remember big race turnouts with over 300 entries that equated to 300 people, rather than the 300 entries and 110 guys we see today? You ran stock OR mod, and you were proud to have won the c-main in your class.
Oh, and when I was a kid I had to walk barefoot, in the snow, 5 miles uphill, to and from school.
Anybody else remember big race turnouts with over 300 entries that equated to 300 people, rather than the 300 entries and 110 guys we see today? You ran stock OR mod, and you were proud to have won the c-main in your class.
Oh, and when I was a kid I had to walk barefoot, in the snow, 5 miles uphill, to and from school.
Remember when six cell batteries barely held 7.0 V for a minute? When the Euros started running 5 cell to slow the cars down? When the Reedy race tried to limit the cars to 10 turns in mod?
The fact is cars are now running the equivalent of 7 cell voltage with basically unlimited run time and more motor than ever. In 1/12, it's lower voltage, but unlimited run time.
Notice that these 6 CELL cars may have been able to be controlled by normal humans :
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4 cell cars in 2006
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3.7 volts last year
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The point? The reason all these other classes are popular is that there are a lot more people who can control the cars. You're not going to get 150 guys in mod when it's not even fun to drive the car if your not 20 years old with video game reflexes.
Even more to the point, this is not going to change back to what it was. Ever. Period.
06-23-2013, 10:14 PM
#73
Yeah and remember when it was a pretty universal goal to move up to mod, and when factories didn't sponsor stock only drivers?
4 cell cars in 2006
Even more to the point, this is not going to change back to what it was. Ever. Period.
4 cell cars in 2006
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Even more to the point, this is not going to change back to what it was. Ever. Period.
06-24-2013, 01:56 AM
#75
Notice that these 6 CELL cars may have been able to be controlled by normal humans :
| + YouTube Video | |
