Big Races: Target Audience?
06-21-2013, 11:47 AM
#47
I like the chart. It would be interesting to see what you come up with if you did multiple charts based on the racer type (novice, intermediate, and expert). What influences the purchase of a novice racer is different than that of veteran mod racer.
Don’t forget bodies and tires!
Don’t forget bodies and tires!
06-21-2013, 11:53 AM
#48
You have to pay to get the big coverage, almost everything else on their site is submitted.
Skiddins
06-21-2013, 12:47 PM
#50
We often point to the ETS series use of handout motor/ESC as a good example of getting things right, and sometimes wish we could do something similar here in the US. I'll keep your post in mind next time I wish for something simpler. Because, nothing is simple in racing.
It is a great sponsord race but the control on motors and other stuff is a joke, even the drivers that drive that race say so.
There was a lot of noise in a dutch forum about cheating with the handout motors. (the same type of motors are being used in the nationals and some drivers did modify them) This is ontop of the fact that some races ago the ETS organisation handed out some motors with the 10-20 degree timing board. FYI the standard motor is with 0-10 degree timing board.
Many of those 10-20 board motors blew up because drivers didn't notice the difference in boards and used the same FDR that was allowed on the track. Some drivers that did notice the difference were smart enough to change their fdr and were a lot faster but no one seem to care. Probably also that no one likes to be called a snitch.
During the ETS race in Apeldoorn in Holland the amca track checked all motors on thursday (probably cause all the stuff that was going on in the forums). There were motors pressent that took the "stock" rule too liberal (saying it nicely). They also exchanged the motors with 10-20 boards. They were exchanged with new ones on thursday.
During the qualifications the organisation checked a lot of motors again and ofcourse low and behold they didn't find any discrepancies. (if you first exchange all the "tuned" motors and then check it again no wonder)
Drivers could exchange the new motors when they feld the new motors were slower. I don't know why but there were drivers that exchanged their motor 5 times.
On redrc they wrote somewhere in the line of:
There were rumourse of cheating but they didn't find any motor out of spec.
Uwe said he got fed up of the dutch negging and was thinking to move the race somewhere else. So instead of doing something active with the information that they receive they are saying the drivers negg to much....ok
Just writting how it went. I don't drive TC, It is all information that was put on the forum by drivers that were pressent during the race in apeldoorn. I think the drivers that are giving the info should not be seen as complaining but I gues that is up to the organisation. I think that the track did an outstanding job of checking/ dynoing every motor for discrepancies and exchanging those out for new ones.
Now, the reason I wrote the above is that I think "journalism" of red rc is a joke and you could even say it is somewhat "colored". The stuff that is being written on red rc by certain writers does nothing more then bringing a negative vibe to RC racing.
There was a lot of noise in a dutch forum about cheating with the handout motors. (the same type of motors are being used in the nationals and some drivers did modify them) This is ontop of the fact that some races ago the ETS organisation handed out some motors with the 10-20 degree timing board. FYI the standard motor is with 0-10 degree timing board.
Many of those 10-20 board motors blew up because drivers didn't notice the difference in boards and used the same FDR that was allowed on the track. Some drivers that did notice the difference were smart enough to change their fdr and were a lot faster but no one seem to care. Probably also that no one likes to be called a snitch.
During the ETS race in Apeldoorn in Holland the amca track checked all motors on thursday (probably cause all the stuff that was going on in the forums). There were motors pressent that took the "stock" rule too liberal (saying it nicely). They also exchanged the motors with 10-20 boards. They were exchanged with new ones on thursday.
During the qualifications the organisation checked a lot of motors again and ofcourse low and behold they didn't find any discrepancies. (if you first exchange all the "tuned" motors and then check it again no wonder)
Drivers could exchange the new motors when they feld the new motors were slower. I don't know why but there were drivers that exchanged their motor 5 times.
On redrc they wrote somewhere in the line of:
There were rumourse of cheating but they didn't find any motor out of spec.
Uwe said he got fed up of the dutch negging and was thinking to move the race somewhere else. So instead of doing something active with the information that they receive they are saying the drivers negg to much....ok
Just writting how it went. I don't drive TC, It is all information that was put on the forum by drivers that were pressent during the race in apeldoorn. I think the drivers that are giving the info should not be seen as complaining but I gues that is up to the organisation. I think that the track did an outstanding job of checking/ dynoing every motor for discrepancies and exchanging those out for new ones.
Now, the reason I wrote the above is that I think "journalism" of red rc is a joke and you could even say it is somewhat "colored". The stuff that is being written on red rc by certain writers does nothing more then bringing a negative vibe to RC racing.
06-21-2013, 01:10 PM
#51
I like the chart. It would be interesting to see what you come up with if you did multiple charts based on the racer type (novice, intermediate, and expert). What influences the purchase of a novice racer is different than that of veteran mod racer.
Don’t forget bodies and tires!
Don’t forget bodies and tires!
06-21-2013, 01:50 PM
#52
if you want to know who is releasing the newest antenna tube...Red RC is your source!
If you want to know who won some random race in a third world country...Red RC is your source!
If you cannot make it to the race and want to know which burberry scarf Marc is wearing...Red RC is your source!
Red RC does not have the pulse on the racing community and certainly never covers the real stories of RC. This article as some have called it is simply a diatribe.
So stop taking them so serious and stop giving them press. Use Redrc as intended...and that is getting useless information that most of us don't really care about and filling our days with topics to bitch about.
If you want to know who won some random race in a third world country...Red RC is your source!
If you cannot make it to the race and want to know which burberry scarf Marc is wearing...Red RC is your source!
Red RC does not have the pulse on the racing community and certainly never covers the real stories of RC. This article as some have called it is simply a diatribe.
So stop taking them so serious and stop giving them press. Use Redrc as intended...and that is getting useless information that most of us don't really care about and filling our days with topics to bitch about.
06-21-2013, 02:00 PM
#53
if you want to know who is releasing the newest antenna tube...Red RC is your source!
If you want to know who won some random race in a third world country...Red RC is your source!
If you cannot make it to the race and want to know which burberry scarf Marc is wearing...Red RC is your source!
Red RC does not have the pulse on the racing community and certainly never covers the real stories of RC. This article as some have called it is simply a diatribe.
So stop taking them so serious and stop giving them press. Use Redrc as intended...and that is getting useless information that most of us don't really care about and filling our days with topics to bitch about.
If you want to know who won some random race in a third world country...Red RC is your source!
If you cannot make it to the race and want to know which burberry scarf Marc is wearing...Red RC is your source!
Red RC does not have the pulse on the racing community and certainly never covers the real stories of RC. This article as some have called it is simply a diatribe.
So stop taking them so serious and stop giving them press. Use Redrc as intended...and that is getting useless information that most of us don't really care about and filling our days with topics to bitch about.
We've Got Dudes in Beanies and Hoodies Totally Covered™
06-21-2013, 03:11 PM
#54
RedRC also edits submitted content. Mark (Schumacher Employee) submitted a race report for a Schumacher sponsored UK BTCC race. Any car can run in the series. The New Mi5 did well and Mark noted how many there were in each main. RedRc edited out any mention of "Schumacher" and "Mi5".
06-21-2013, 03:53 PM
#55
RedRC also edits submitted content. Mark (Schumacher Employee) submitted a race report for a Schumacher sponsored UK BTCC race. Any car can run in the series. The New Mi5 did well and Mark noted how many there were in each main. RedRc edited out any mention of "Schumacher" and "Mi5".
06-21-2013, 04:07 PM
#56
RedRC also edits submitted content. Mark (Schumacher Employee) submitted a race report for a Schumacher sponsored UK BTCC race. Any car can run in the series. The New Mi5 did well and Mark noted how many there were in each main. RedRc edited out any mention of "Schumacher" and "Mi5".
06-21-2013, 08:29 PM
#58
As far as I am concerned, if RedRC indeed does edit submissions, then they are wholly responsible as the author of that piece. Once it's changed, it is quite literally adulterated. They've basically just let somebody else do 90% of the work and "used" it to portray their own story. I don't even consider that journalism. That's crap.
06-21-2013, 08:50 PM
#59
I sent several submissions about preparations, warm-ups, and results for the US carpet Nationals in 2012 which my home track hosted and I organized with no response or success. Regardless of whether they attend a race or not, RedRC's coverage appears very skewed away from US races.
06-21-2013, 10:12 PM
#60
I have a hard time believing RedRC would be anti USA on-road. Why would they? I can also understand that being based out of the Netherlands the coverage of overseas races is hard for them and that funds are limited. Too be honest I feel they actually do a good job, and I feel the RROC comments are pulled a little bit out of proportion in this topic more than the other way around.
The marc rheinard quote is also nothing wrong with. The turnout in invitational simply demonstrates that many of the pro's don't take the event too seriously. A race of champions without the champions (Hara, Groskamp, Volker, Naoto, Moore etc) is not what the event once was. Thats probably all Marc intended to say, and he was right.
I too feel on-road in the US is making a comeback and I'm all for it don't get me wrong.
The marc rheinard quote is also nothing wrong with. The turnout in invitational simply demonstrates that many of the pro's don't take the event too seriously. A race of champions without the champions (Hara, Groskamp, Volker, Naoto, Moore etc) is not what the event once was. Thats probably all Marc intended to say, and he was right.
I too feel on-road in the US is making a comeback and I'm all for it don't get me wrong.
