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Old 06-20-2013, 05:07 PM   #16
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The only reason why stock racing is bigger than Mod is the most people think stock is cheeper than mod. but on the end they by 5-6 motors per season.
Also the tracks lot of the tracks don't make a mod class.
How can you get the wold champion class racer without a regular class.
Racing is racing its as expensive as you want to make it just like any hobby/sport. If you want to spend lots of money on it you will no matter what class you race. It really has nothing to do with money if thats the case the ETS series wouldnt have a 2+ to 1 stock to mod racer ratio. Racers will always spend what they want and race what they are comfortable with thats it. This 2 to 1 ratio seems to be about the norm to all races that offer stock and mod. There is no magical pill or plan to really change this fact racers will continue to race whats fun to them however they have this fun stock or mod.


IMO people race stock more because its more their speed and they can handle it. Most tracks around this country(us) that dont have a mod class is probably because the track isnt able to hold mod car speeds due to its size. It appears that on all tracks that are large enough there is a local mod following and when its too small stock is what is raced. You also have to consider the quality of racing that stock motors brings most time 10 cars start 10 cars finish....in mod if there is 10 cars and 7 or more finish it was a good race.

Back to the original point of this thread its always funny when people from europe talk about whats going on in the US when there is much more going on over here then whats on the surface. Times are tough in the US economy wise right now and have been for a while. When times were good the US drove the lions share of the on road market. Things appear to be turning around as far as the larger US race scene seems to be going. Case in point the RROC had a great turn out only the invite class was down but thats not anyones fault outside of the manufactures not sending racers or scheduling issues. Really in the end it looks like US racer counts at national events are back on the rise its just a slow rise. If its not growing in your area maybe there are reasons outside of RC for this.
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Old 06-20-2013, 05:18 PM   #17
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Back to the original point of this thread its always funny when people from europe talk about whats going on in the US when there is much more going on over here then whats on the surface.
To make a point Yes I'm from europe, but I life now since more then 3 years here in the US.
I'm in the US marked there is no reason that you try to bash me.
To be fully onest to most RC racer here in the US buy a new car/motor or what ever only because they are not winning. Insted to learn how to setup their cars.
I know I will be not the best rc racer, but I like to challange my self.

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Old 06-20-2013, 05:36 PM   #19
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To make a point Yes I'm from europe, but I lire now since more then 3 years here in the US.
I'm in the US marked there is no reason that you thy to bash me.
To be fully onest to most RC racer here in the US by a new car/motor or what ever only because they are not winning. Insted to learn how to setup there cars.
I know I will be not the best rc racer, but I like to challange my self.
It doesnt look like anyone is trying to bash you. English doesnt look like your first language there might be something lost in the translation. Your giving your opinion and so are others giving their opinions just because they dont match up doesnt mean that anyone that is against your opinion is bashing you.

To make a generalized statement about US racers looking to something new as to why they are not winning seems short sighted and thats more a problem with the RC world as a whole not just a US problem. We are all racers and all racers want to find that one combo that will help them. If we all raced mod it wouldnt be any different it would just be with mod motors and not stock motors. If this didnt happen in mod then there would never be any new advancements in mod and no need for new motors because everyone would just be racing their 3 year old stuff tuning it. This isnt the case there is always advancements in mod as well as stock simply because its an evolving hobby.
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BTW I have not stated everyone need to run mod and the Mod racers are not competitive.
I stated without a growing mod class we will not see more US driver in the World's A main or other international races.
This is what I like to see.
The most driver in the Amains of those races now from europe.
And I like to see a slide change.

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The majority of tracks in North America are tight and brutally unforgiving. Maybe people feel intimidated to try mod on them when the tracks are not all that easy to navigate cleanly, for most people, even with a 17.5 blinky car. Not enough guys to race mod regularly, so everyone ends up racing stock instead and then that becomes a premier class, even at large races.

In Europe there are a ton of huge flowing tracks where you just go into some grass if you mess up. Here, you hit a wall. I think we need nice big outdoor tracks in every large city to get mod TC in North America close to the level of Europe. I imagine a 17.5 blinky car on most of those European tracks could be driven at wide open throttle for the entire circuit. Make the tracks here large enough that 17.5 blinky feels painfully slow to anyone who isn't a newb and I think Mod racing will surge.

It seems they have a lot of tracks in England that are on air fields. It would be nice if we had more of that here in North America. So much empty space on public/military land that could easily fit huge R/C tracks.
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I too agree that on-road is bouncing back in the US. To have the pro racers or RedRC or whomever say we should move one of our few premiere events to Europe infuriates me.

I want to return the favor by not supporting their brands.
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140+ entries, but how many actual drivers?
Quite a few people seem to do at least one other class, if not 3 of 4 classes in total.

How does that compare with the IIC and Snowbirds etc?

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The majority of tracks in North America are tight and brutally unforgiving. Maybe people feel intimidated to try mod on them when the tracks are not all that easy to navigate cleanly, for most people, even with a 17.5 blinky car. Not enough guys to race mod regularly, so everyone ends up racing stock instead and then that becomes a premier class, even at large races.

In Europe there are a ton of huge flowing tracks where you just go into some grass if you mess up. Here, you hit a wall. I think we need nice big outdoor tracks in every large city to get mod TC in North America close to the level of Europe. I imagine a 17.5 blinky car on most of those European tracks could be driven at wide open throttle for the entire circuit. Make the tracks here large enough that 17.5 blinky feels painfully slow to anyone who isn't a newb and I think Mod racing will surge.

It seems they have a lot of tracks in England that are on air fields. It would be nice if we had more of that here in North America. So much empty space on public/military land that could easily fit huge R/C tracks.
Good post and i think you nailed part of the problem in mod takeup, In the US you have tiny tracks, where as here in Australia we have large open flowing tracks, even our tight tracks are open compared to what you drive often over there. VTA and 17.5 stock is like watching paint dry on our tracks, where straights are 30m+ long.

Case point, on VRCpro, I find it really hard to drive the Snowbirds track, it is just so tiny when compared to my home track Brisbane, where we run EP 10.5 as stock on the short track.
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I think stock in the US should be 21.5 for the size of the tracks here even on my home track 120'x70' 17.5 is ballistic. Mod isn't that much faster then 17.5 on most tracks. On our track 17.5 experts out qualifiy the mod racers every week. I am going to run Mod this week 17.5 on boost just to see how it is!
In Europe there tracks look like 1/8 scale track here. Nice tracks too we need Goverment subsidies too to get tracks like that.
I had to fight with my LHS when I painted our track out I wanted to make it longer and wider and I was shot down on those idea's. We had 50 cars last race in 6 classes and our novice class had a B main. We only started racing here a year ago and the racing is starting to take off we are having many spectators (families)bringing chairs to watch our races ie future racer.
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140+ entries, but how many actual drivers?
Quite a few people seem to do at least one other class, if not 3 of 4 classes in total.

How does that compare with the IIC and Snowbirds etc?

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If I recall from reading about it, the Reedy race is limited to 2 classes per racer.
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Personally dont care either way,the best racing is done local anyhow.
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If I recall from reading about it, the Reedy race is limited to 2 classes per racer.
Maybe two TC classes, but definitely a few names appearing in at least 3 classes.
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We only started racing here a year ago and the racing is starting to take off we are having many spectators (families)bringing chairs to watch our races ie future racer.
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I feel pretty confident that in the US, results in stock racing sell more gear than results in mod racing.

The only thing people care about from the mod crowd is what kit they're running, and even then, how much really? Changing brands is a big commitment. 90% of the people in the US pick XRay or AE and stick with it, or own both.

The stock crowd buys a TON of stock motors, and they're not looking at what Marc used to win Reedy to decide what stock motor to get. Same with batteries, ESC's...
I agree, my original post was aimed towards the "global race coverage" viewpoint. We all just need to support the races we enjoy. There's enough online content for just about every decent sized race in the country to prevent us from needing redrc to be there. If on-road is going to begin to thrive again, we're gonna have to build it up from the bottom.
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