Go Back  R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Electric On-Road
New Novak Brusless System >

New Novak Brusless System

New Novak Brusless System

Old 12-09-2006, 08:46 PM
  #1711  
Tech Regular
iTrader: (20)
 
Italian racer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 365
Trader Rating: 20 (100%+)
Default 13.5 Brushless

Hi Charlie,

What is the best gear ratio to run with the 13.5? This was without the Sintered arm also. Would that change the recommended final drive?

Just ran it at a 4.8 final and it shut down on me after 4 mins. Any suggestions?

Thanks
Nick
Italian racer is offline  
Old 12-09-2006, 08:52 PM
  #1712  
Super Moderator
iTrader: (213)
 
Marcos.J's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Semper Fi
Posts: 31,086
Trader Rating: 213 (100%+)
Default

Originally Posted by Italian racer
Hi Charlie,

What is the best gear ratio to run with the 13.5? This was without the Sintered arm also. Would that change the recommended final drive?

Just ran it at a 4.8 final and it shut down on me after 4 mins. Any suggestions?

Thanks
Nick
i would start 1 or 2 more teeth on the pinion over what you would normally would gear a normal stock motor and start from there
Marcos.J is offline  
Old 12-09-2006, 09:47 PM
  #1713  
Tech Elite
iTrader: (10)
 
Jochim_18's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: CALI
Posts: 2,434
Trader Rating: 10 (100%+)
Default

Originally Posted by Italian racer
Hi Charlie,

What is the best gear ratio to run with the 13.5? This was without the Sintered arm also. Would that change the recommended final drive?

Just ran it at a 4.8 final and it shut down on me after 4 mins. Any suggestions?

Thanks
Nick
5.5 - 5.7 FDR is a good starting point lower than that and will thermal. But it also depends on the track.
Jochim_18 is offline  
Old 12-09-2006, 11:39 PM
  #1714  
Tech Elite
iTrader: (47)
 
andrewdoherty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: ★Wylie, TX★
Posts: 3,789
Trader Rating: 47 (100%+)
Default

I ran my 13.5 in our rubber tire carpet class with a 5.2-5.6 fdr tonight with two fans mounted on a team tamale fan mount and the motor ran wonderfully. We shoot for lap times around 14-15 seconds. I never got a temp reading above 110*. I am running the sintered rotor using an Orion 4800 Li Po in an RDX. I estimate the ambient temp at our track tonight was somewhere around 70*
andrewdoherty is offline  
Old 12-10-2006, 01:58 AM
  #1715  
Tech Elite
iTrader: (21)
 
STEALTH's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Manila & California
Posts: 3,019
Trader Rating: 21 (100%+)
Default

Originally Posted by INFERN0
Bob, long time fan here. I have a question for you regarding the Novak Brushless. I am quite curious as to why Novak chose to use a wye wind motor rather than delta wind? Also I am very curious why you went with sensored technology when other companies who have been into brushless for longer have gone sensorless? ( I imagine that question has probably been asked many times before).
I have the GTB 3.5 as well as a 5.5 and I am very happy with the performance but my only complaint is the sensor lead from the motor. I wish the plug was also on the motor as it is on the esc so the option for long, medium and shorter sensor leads can be utilized.
Are there plans for sensorless in the future?

Interesting Questions... I hope BOB can answer them for all of us INFERNO.
STEALTH is offline  
Old 12-10-2006, 03:01 AM
  #1716  
R/C Tech Elite Member
iTrader: (315)
 
nexxus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Perth, Australia
Posts: 8,823
Trader Rating: 315 (100%+)
Default

Started out with the 26/86 ratio today, that's way too hot, motor got to 175 degrees after 2-3 minutes, lots of trial and error, settled on a 19/86 ratio which is one tooth above what guys were gearing their Brushed Stockers at, motor peaked around 145 during a race, clip on heatsink only, no fan, track temp 125 degrees. (Yes it was a warm day, around 90-95)
nexxus is offline  
Old 12-10-2006, 06:13 PM
  #1717  
Tech Regular
iTrader: (20)
 
Italian racer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 365
Trader Rating: 20 (100%+)
Default 13.5 Brushless

Much appreciated guys!!

I will try running it alittle hight then the 4.8 range and see what happens.

Thanks
Nick
Italian racer is offline  
Old 12-10-2006, 06:13 PM
  #1718  
Tech Regular
iTrader: (20)
 
Italian racer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 365
Trader Rating: 20 (100%+)
Default 13.5 Brushless

Much appreciated guys!!

I will try running it alittle hight then the 4.8 range and see what happens.

Thanks,
Nick
Italian racer is offline  
Old 12-10-2006, 10:34 PM
  #1719  
Tech Lord
iTrader: (32)
 
syndr0me's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: 5280 Raceway
Posts: 13,267
Trader Rating: 32 (100%+)
Default

Any idea what's going on with this GTB? Is it just a giant purple fan on a regular GTB? It came from this video, about 10 minutes in.

syndr0me is offline  
Old 12-11-2006, 09:01 AM
  #1720  
Tech Elite
iTrader: (10)
 
Jochim_18's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: CALI
Posts: 2,434
Trader Rating: 10 (100%+)
Default

Only thing I can think of is for cooling.... That is greg drescher associated prototype car (TC5).... If you guys watch the video he still thermal eventhough his using that huge fan.
Jochim_18 is offline  
Old 12-11-2006, 03:50 PM
  #1721  
Tech Lord
iTrader: (32)
 
syndr0me's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: 5280 Raceway
Posts: 13,267
Trader Rating: 32 (100%+)
Default

Originally Posted by Jochim_18
Only thing I can think of is for cooling.... That is greg drescher associated prototype car (TC5).... If you guys watch the video he still thermal eventhough his using that huge fan.
I imagine it was shutting down because of the motor, not the ESC. I doubt they could use sintered rotors in that race, which surely would have helped a great deal.
syndr0me is offline  
Old 12-11-2006, 04:08 PM
  #1722  
Tech Elite
iTrader: (10)
 
Jochim_18's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: CALI
Posts: 2,434
Trader Rating: 10 (100%+)
Default

I bet he used a sintered rotor since 3.5r comes stock with a sintered rotor. GTB ESC when it reaches over 170 deg F It will thermal thats why you gear your car base on the temp of the ESC and not the motor.
Jochim_18 is offline  
Old 12-11-2006, 04:23 PM
  #1723  
Tech Master
 
Charlie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: I'm All Over The Place
Posts: 1,160
Default

If that is footage from the worlds. Sintered was Not Legal.

The big fan was an effort to increase airflow inside the car. Cool the ESC more as the track was very large and used quite a bit of braking. Personally I don't think the large purple fan is any better then the small ones, but it was the "worlds" and it was very hot.

From our notes, it seems they missed out on some testing due to the rain, so we never were able to nail down the gearing. We figured craigs car was maybe a tooth overgeared when he shut down during the 2nd main.

We geared down for the 3rd, but contact broke the car. For the short time he was on the track power was not "undergeared". So it's likely we could have geared down further.

Thanks Guys,
Don't forget you can always email us directly if you want answers "strait" from the horse's mouth.....
Charlie is offline  
Old 12-11-2006, 04:24 PM
  #1724  
Tech Master
 
Charlie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: I'm All Over The Place
Posts: 1,160
Default

Also, We gear based on the temp of the motor. We try for around 160-175F at the end of 5 minutes.
Charlie is offline  
Old 12-11-2006, 04:40 PM
  #1725  
Tech Elite
iTrader: (10)
 
Jochim_18's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: CALI
Posts: 2,434
Trader Rating: 10 (100%+)
Default

Thanks for the info and clarifying that charlie.
Jochim_18 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.