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Old 05-25-2005, 09:35 PM   #16
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I agree.

www.teamxray.com is one of the best.... hands down!

I visit it every day and I have to tell you the work Mario and Brano put into it is second to none.
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Old 05-25-2005, 09:36 PM   #17
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those sites are cool, but the amount of raster stuff being pushed around in flash is a little on the cpu intensive side. On my old crappy note book they playback very choppy during anything with masks or motion tweens with raster stuff. the vector stuff was fine.
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Old 05-25-2005, 10:06 PM   #18
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Sounds like someone is try to have some attention.(cough* scoobydo *cough)
Maybe if I was trying to sell something or push my work. Which I'm not.
Read the posts, people are giving their opinion on the better and worst sites out there. That was my intent in the thread.
what are you trying to do? Start a flame war?
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if you look at this page:
http://www.teamlosi.com/Products/Def...rodID=LOSA0030
The main page looks great, Except for the left and top navigation buttons.
If they made it match the center content, it would be great.
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Old 05-25-2005, 10:47 PM   #19
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My favorites are (not in partiular order)

HPI
Orion
XRAY

All three combine information and nice design.

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Old 05-25-2005, 10:57 PM   #20
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designing for some of the smaller RC companies presents a lot of interesting challenges that need to be considered when critiquing some of these sites. Although I am educated as a commercial illustrator, (which automatically makes me despise contemporary GD!) I have done some quickie pro bono design stuff for some RC businesses.

In my case, it was necessary to create a site that is easy for the company owner or team manager to edit and add info too. Assuming that these people may not have a design background and or good taste, you need to create a pretty innocuous template that is easy for the sites proprietor to edit and hard for them to screw up technically and visually. Chances are they are going to start plugging in the default html serifed type face whereever they can fit it. This eliminates a lot of oppertunity to do something edgy.

Furthermore, through years of low budget design, a surprisingly ugly lexicon of RC visuals has come to make up the "professional" looking rc logo, website etc. Would I ever outline a lousy looking roaylty free typeface, no but thats what the consumer has come to recognoize as appropriate for RC companies. The companies themselves are sensitive to this as well, you can't really present them with something that isn't borderline obnoxious because neither they nor the cusomer will recognoize it as being part of the racing world. Its unfortunate but true.
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I still think the xray site is awesome though!
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Old 05-25-2005, 11:11 PM   #22
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Xray site......without a doubt
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AE is a pig to find what i need (usually manuals etc)

but HPI is very good to navigate.

team orion is probs my fave..also i like the news thingy they have

you're not serious right? i constantly use Ae's website for their manuals..very easy to find those...everything else on their site is crap but the manuals are number one a-ok.
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competition x is also good
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Old 05-25-2005, 11:23 PM   #25
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designing for some of the smaller RC companies presents a lot of interesting challenges that need to be considered when critiquing some of these sites. Although I am educated as a commercial illustrator, (which automatically makes me despise contemporary GD!) I have done some quickie pro bono design stuff for some RC businesses.

In my case, it was necessary to create a site that is easy for the company owner or team manager to edit and add info too. Assuming that these people may not have a design background and or good taste, you need to create a pretty innocuous template that is easy for the sites proprietor to edit and hard for them to screw up technically and visually. Chances are they are going to start plugging in the default html serifed type face whereever they can fit it. This eliminates a lot of oppertunity to do something edgy.

Furthermore, through years of low budget design, a surprisingly ugly lexicon of RC visuals has come to make up the "professional" looking rc logo, website etc. Would I ever outline a lousy looking roaylty free typeface, no but thats what the consumer has come to recognoize as appropriate for RC companies. The companies themselves are sensitive to this as well, you can't really present them with something that isn't borderline obnoxious because neither they nor the cusomer will recognoize it as being part of the racing world. Its unfortunate but true.
Designing for the company in mind certainly poses design issues as far as future editing, however most of the companies we are talking about are hardly small in stature and can certainly afford a webmaster.
The smaller companies or the local matcher I can understand. But AE and Losi? They are the biggest RC companies in the states and they have low grade websites compared to the likes of Xray, Tamiya, HPI, etc....
How can you despise contemporary GD? You Illustrators are taking some of the jobs away from them! However, I think there is a big difference between Graphic Design and Desktop Publishing. I think contemporary has leaned more towards the Desktop stuff and away from the true Form, Function and More Importantly CONCEPT that true GD should be.
But I do get your point about how companies & trends tend to dictate the direction of design and limit it in someway.
BTW I also like the Xray Site!
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My comments were in reference to the smaller companies, many of which folks like david joor design for. Obviously the losi, ae sites are inexcusably bad (esp losi, their logo looks awesome on my t-shirt when I wear my hammer parachute pants!). As far as the state of graphic design, I am always of the mind the graphic design should package, enforce underscore (insert your synonym here) the meaning of the content. Never ever should it make meaning, thats what illustrators are for (or at least thats what I tell people so I get paid for making their ads!)
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My comments were in reference to the smaller companies, many of which folks like david joor design for. Obviously the losi, ae sites are inexcusably bad (esp losi, their logo looks awesome on my t-shirt when I wear my hammer parachute pants!). As far as the state of graphic design, I am always of the mind the graphic design should package, enforce underscore (insert your synonym here) the meaning of the content. Never ever should it make meaning, thats what illustrators are for (or at least thats what I tell people so I get paid for making their ads!)
As we speak, I have "Can't Touch This" Playing in the background and I'm wearing my Losi T-Shirt!

BTW didja go to RISD?
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how'd you guess lol, is the Rhode Island a dead give away?
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how'd you guess lol, is the Rhode Island a dead give away?
That and the way you were talking, you know your stuff.
A friend of mine got her Design Degree there.
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Rhode Islands a great place to go to school and a lousy place to race! I have to drive at least an hour and a half to run anywhere! Apparently people are too busy debating the merits of art and literature their to wrench.

BTW checked out your site, I like your gieger peice and black hole peices especially, nice work!
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