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Old 05-27-2013, 12:13 AM   #16
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Have you checked the Mini TRF ones work with these?

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As mentioned above our shocktowers allow the use of short dampers with full length springs on the 417.
I know the Xray, CSO and T-Shox are a perfect fit for our shocktowers.

http://www.capricornrc.nl/Webwinkel-...or-TRF417.html



I hope to have the new Capricorn short, big bore dampers before the end of the week to verify if those will work as well. The Capricorn shocks are also high quality with machined Delrin internals.


The concept of the T-shox is very interesting but the quality is really bad, worst rc part I've ever seen to be honest. I had to remake all of the internals because not a single part was up to spec, and the design of the internals has a big mistake. Threading of the shockbody hasn't been done right as well, threads aren't cut deep enough so you will strip out the threads very easily.
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Old 05-27-2013, 12:34 AM   #17
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Hi there, Thanks for your advices.

Re: why to go for short shocks on my 417v5 - I was under the impression that low shock towers and short shocks were a must these days.?
It seemed that all the new cars were running this combination.?
To get the centre of gravity as low as possible.

But then I also had read [as someone had mentioned in this thread] that the shorter springs that come with the short shocks might be less effective than standard springs..? not sure.
This is the general idea but it is hyped up quite allot and isnt necessarily true..
Most of the time you need to run short springs, which as you mentioned are not as good as std length springs. With short towers, you are lowering the shocks by 4-2mm , which is 4mm-2mm less suspension travel (car is less stable over bumps). A set of shocks (4) without springs, is roughly 45 grams. The whole car weights 1300g + .... the difference in the center of gravity is very very small, and at the expense of less suspension travel.
In my opinion your better off saving your money for spares/tyres.
Btw, raceberry have short shock towers, wouldn't you think Marc, viktor and jilles would be using them if they are the fastest? Considering they are running raceberry conversion...
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Old 06-24-2013, 11:51 PM   #18
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T-SHOX.
If you build them correctly they don't leak,no need for rebuilds for quite a while,and look great.
They are new and the prototypes were leaking as they were prototypes,but now all awesome.
Very highly recommend !!!!!!!

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Old 06-25-2013, 12:45 AM   #19
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What are the part number for the Tamiya m-chassis shocks?
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Old 06-25-2013, 12:50 AM   #20
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There are two kinds, the regular ones #54000 and the TRF Works damper set #84318.

I have the 54000 and they are great on my mini. I think the Works damper set includes titanium nitride coated shock shafts, aluminum spring bottom retainers, and supposed to have a different coating on the cylinder bores.
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Old 06-25-2013, 01:09 AM   #21
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My jaw dropped after seeing the price...
http://www.tamiyausa.com/search.php?q=84318
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MSRP: $128.00
Price: $128.00
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Old 06-25-2013, 01:17 AM   #22
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Muuuch cheaper overseas and on eBay...
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Old 06-25-2013, 02:08 AM   #23
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TRF shocks are among the best in build quality out there.

However bear in mind that the Mini versions are shorter but same bore diameter and are meant for the M Chassis cars.

That means less oil volume = less consistency.

Other purpose made TC short shocks are bigger bore in diameter to compensate for the volume change with a shorter body.
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Old 06-29-2013, 04:16 AM   #24
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the new Xray T4 shocks are awesome, never had any better shocks in 20 years of racing
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Old 06-29-2013, 04:27 AM   #25
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Default T4 shocks

When I was trying to decide on how to upgrade the 417v5 with short shocks and towers - I had decided on xray t4 shocks with raceberry low pro towers - when I read on the xray website the t4 shocks sounded seriously will designed and produced.
It was going to cost me around $200 though and in the end put the money towards an AWESOMATIX.
I'm still not an experienced enough driver to notice any difference between the a700 shock design and conventional so cant comment on exact performance differences, but anyway it is nice to have the all around low center of gravity which I was wanting.
and these shocks are apparently maintenance free for life.

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always liked th yokomo shocks. depending on which lower retainers you use short or long springs work and they don`t seem to leak
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Re: OP.

Schumacher mi5 shocks are not short. They are full length but in the mi5 are mounted below the arm to get benefit of lower COG but retain benefit of full shock volume.
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I'm now a big fan of the new Eryx shocks because you can still use full length springs.

But if we are talking about short shocks because they will lower the CoG, why don't we run shocks upside down? I'm assuming the cap, oil, collar, and piston weigh more than the shaft, spring, and retainer.
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Because that would add a lot of unsprung weight.
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Because that would add a lot of unsprung weight.
Yep. That makes sense
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