2014 IFMAR Worlds Full Throttle Raceway at Kissimmee Florida
 

Well folks it has been decided that the worlds will be at one of the best destination to vacation in the world. One of the things that made this location great before are some of the same reasons that make it ideal again. We have all the Disney parks, Sea World Parks and Universal Studios. Bring your family with you. This location is fantastic and offers many excursions for families as we race. Adrian Martinez did an amazing job with helping the owner of the track in 2004 whose name was Jorge Ruiz. Since 2004 Jorge has been no where and we have run an 1/8th nationals and many, many awesome events. George Martinez is the current track owner and is planning a lot of things to improve the track.

On June 5th 2013, Kissimmee will be repaved. Yes New Asphalt. Track improvements are all coming after the new asphalt. The one big thing that was in need at the track was the asphalt. It is old and has been used to its maximum for 8 years.

George and I have been brain storming about the future of Kissimmee and how to proceed with the plans for the 2014 worlds. We are working on the stage one report and plans on how to make this another wonderful event.

The 1/10th and 1/12th electric worlds will be held in Kissimmee and have two separate layouts for the two different classes

Pre Worlds Dates coming soon!



Roar Quote:
ROAR would like to first thank IFMAR for allowing us to make a second go at hosting the 2014 Electric On Road World Championships. In doing so they have made it possible for ROAR to keep this event in the ROAR Bloc for 2014. We would also like to Thank all of the racers and track operators for their support in bringing this event back. We had but a short window in which to get potential bids in and it was a very tough choice for the Ex comm as all the Facilities where equally capable in holding this prestigious event however we could only pick one. With that being said we would like to congratulate Full Throttle Raceway in beautiful Kissimmee Florida as the host track for the 2014 Electric On Road Worlds. Stay tuned for more updates on this event.

so is that to imply that 1/12 will decidedly be held on asphalt??

Yes, all racing will be outdoors. There will be two separate layouts within the same track. In 2004 we held the worlds here in kissimmee and 1/12th was held on asphalt. It was an awesome event. Watching Masami run his 1/12th on asphalt was really cool for all of us watching.

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Gotta love people who love the sport.

I ran a couple of Pro10's around there a couple of years ago, a championship for them would be mega awesome!

Congratulations on getting the nats!

Great decision to run both on asphalt:nod:

Asphalt ... great!

I have raced at every 1/12th Worlds since 2004.
I missed 2008. I did not fancy a trip to Bangkok (also on tarmac) to face a surface I have never raced on in 1/12th.

From what I remember 2008 was a poorly attended event that was totally non-competitive due to the massive advantage afforded to the one or two (two) drivers that had the right tyre.

Why would you do this again? Is it a money thing? Are you asking me to spend a bunch of personal money to come all the way over to FL (and I would come) but the asphalt thing may be a bit of a show stopper for me.

I would appreciate understanding the thinking and justification for putting this event on tarmac. If this in in fact a fait accompli then I would like to hear plans on a control tyre otherwise we may as well give some Japanese lad the trophy now, lets all save the money and just send it in the post.

Mark Payne

The Nationals just few weeks ago held 1/12 scale on pavement. It ran fine even had some traction roll.

Because they dont have a carpet track maybe? I think there's still only one full time carpet track in the state of Florida and they aren't big enough to hold a worlds.

I think the nice Frank Calandra would sort that out pretty quickly. A 12th track is purely a known (and I mean known) type of carpet and a bunch of white plastic square section drain pipe with a few plastic flappy bits. The rest is tape and velcro. Oh and a sports hall with a flat floor.

American organisers could surely save the money they spend on promo girls to pose in sad photos and buy some bits and/or allow Frank some free sponsorship placement in return for a loaner carpet?

Mark

Supposedly, that tire is available to everyone now.

From the IMFAR Rules. "In case of outdoors on asphalt track, control tire is compulsory."

Thanks for all the interest on the type of racing surface for 1/12th scale. We are happy to have all the international and US drivers attend this IFMAR World event. We expect that some may not be able to make this event and we feel honored to host this race. IFMAR is the organization of the worlds and Kissimmee Full Throttle Raceway is just the host at our facility. We have no control on rules concerning the actual race and if the tires are controlled or open. I am more than sure IFMAR would like to hear from all of its racers.

I am under the impression your referring to the yokomo rubber that Masami used. If that is a concern maybe IFMAR should make a call on that class.

We are working together to make this a great race.

That's for ISTC not 1/12.

Where did you find that rule? The only rule I see for 1/12th is this:

4.0.3
Free choice of tyres. They must be black except
sidewall detailing. Wheels and tyres must not be of
a material that can damage de surface of the tr
ack. Odourless, commercially available tyre
treatment is free for as long as not suspected to be a potential health hazard and/or not
deteriorating the track surface. This to the di
scretion of the organizers who can submit for
agreement with IFMAR officials suspected additive
s in order to be forbidden for health, comfort,
safety or local legislation reasons.

"" I would appreciate understanding the thinking and justification for putting this event on tarmac. If this in in fact a fait accompli then I would like to hear plans on a control tyre otherwise we may as well give some Japanese lad the trophy now, lets all save the money and just send it in the post.""



Wow dude, seriously? The fastest will be the fastest regardless.

Yes, Mark's serious. If it's on asphalt a lot of Europeans won't be taking part after the farce that was the 1/12th worlds in 2008.

In the UK we don't have a single permanent carpet track, yet we run nationals, european champs and have even run world champs indoors on temporary carpet tracks in school or sports halls.

[QUOTE=terry.sc;12192125]Yes, Mark's serious. If it's on asphalt a lot of Europeans won't be taking part after the farce that was the 1/12th worlds in 2008.
I'm sorry to hear that... But with the event scheduled over 1 and a half years from now and the pre worlds 11 months from now, I find it hard to believe that the majority of racers/teams won't have the ability to test and be prepaired adequately. Just my opinion

[QUOTE=DaveVera;12192218]+1 - Weighing in on this "the fast guys will ALWAYS be up front" be it carpet or tarmac. Champions are just that for a reason -Location or surface shouldn't matter. I wouldn't be surprised Dave if we see some "new' yet familiar faces at the FSEARA races ;)

This is tragic if the europeans decide not to come - the US bloc gets those spots lol Nice

Dave thanks for the support. I think the worlds in Kissimmee is gonna be pretty even playing field for all racers. The track will be open for a few events during the rest of this year and most of next year before the WC. The track is big. 250x95 (feet). The event will be high speed and flowing. If you want to test the track is gonna be available.

Dave Vera is correct. Fast guys will always be fast. The last worlds that was held in kissimmee Masami and Hara spent many weeks testing at different times using many compounds of tires, bodies and motor . I was privileged to see them test battery after battery sharing some info, tips and how much effort they place on a WC. These two guys both tested tirelessly only to have Reinhard beat them both. Reinhard never came to test.

Masami had two mechnaics and a 15 passanger van full of stuff to test and use at his finger tips. He used special sauces that came in medicine bottles so he could get them through customs. Masami won because he was the best prepared. The best will always spend the most and prepare the most.

I cant wait till the pre worlds to see everyone that comes and you will enjoy your time here.

2 Days of tearing down the track in preparation for the new asphalt
I truly feel that with all the changes the track will be the same for all
Regardless of tire selection & preparation weather makes it a big factor very easy to heat up tires.
Layout Myself & Steve are taking our time to ensure the layout will be very oriented & expect pics July time frame as we have to allow the new pavement to cure

FSEARA State Race
 

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This is 1 of the local favorite layout

I'm personally glad to see the 12th Worlds back on Asphalt, not because I don't like Carpet, or because I think Asphalt is better, but because Asphalt is a surface that 12th is raced on. ROAR races 12th on Asphalt, so does FEMCA. I don't know about FAMAR. Ok, so EFRA doesn't, that's still at least 50% of the IFMAR blocs. As I posted in another thread, to me having the Worlds only ever on carpet would be like having Tennis at the Olympics only on Hardcourt. There are a variety of surfaces on which 12th is raced around the world. Given the Worlds are a one off race, the surface we compete on each time at the Worlds should vary in line with that – it should reflect the local racing scene of the host as well as the World racing scene.

Keeping the Worlds on a variety of surfaces is good for the health of 12th scale too, because it shows potential competitors and clubs that they have more options for running the class. More options for racing locations means more numbers. If 12th is seen as carpet only it hurts numbers particularly in countries with a dearth of carpet tracks. There are flow on effects to lower numbers worldwide including fewer "name" manufacturers, and fewer kits produced leading to higher prices. The same is true for 1S ESCs and anything else that is specialised 12th. Prices in general are pretty cheap right now I must say, but they could be even better if the class was more popular around the world. That's just the economics of manufacturing.

Lastly, 12th scale has a history of being raced on a variety of surfaces. Obviously, it's the oldest EP class there is. The construction rules have changed very little in 30 years. 12th is our link to the past. I think that makes it even more important that we retain as much of its heritage as possible in the way we race it now.

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If the tyres really are as much of a concern as some people make out then I don't think a control tyre is the answer. Tyre options are really fundamental to the way a 12th scale works, and the way we race it. I have no problem at all though with a rule that says tyres used by factory drivers must be commercially available in all blocs within a certain time frame leading up to the event, or something like that.

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Jconcepts scalpel class very fun to drive

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USVTA Class another strong growing class

+1 Radio
There are 2 classes that I enjoy the most 1/12th & 1/8th
These 2 classes to me remind me of the Lemans/F1 circuit stlye which are looked upon as the Mecca of all racing


1/12th

ROAR does have a history of running on asphalt but it is pretty much a dead animal now. Since 2007, there has never been a B main at the asphalt nats (modified). And in 2 or 3 of those years there were no entries.

1/12 aspalt is an old fashioned idea. That does not mean the race will not be competitive, but there are likely not going to be a lot of entries.

Guys Though I'll get bashed for this I think 1/12th should be on carpet.

I agree that it should be on carpet but if it's got to be asphalt, what the hell I'll run it. Could be fun, and isn't that what it's all about? :D

Is Rick American? I think he is.
Does he race 1/12th scale... Yep very well indeed. I was congratulating him only last year in Holland for being brilliant. Maybe as he is an ambassador for the section, is an active 12th racer and comes from your ROAR side of the pond you might listen to him? I hope so.

We all know that it is the TC class that is the real world championship. What us old men and fools do with pan cars is just a distraction to the main event.

Carpet please. Thank you very much. What possible reason could there be to make a choice that will make an event less popular and under subscribed? Is my EFRA licence and entry fee not worth the hire of a hall?

M

LMAO, although Keven Herbert might take exception

Personally I'd rather it were on carpet as well, as Rick said almost no one in the US runs 1/12th asphalt, so there goes any home field advantage, that said it would be even sweeter if say Cyrul finally pulls off a win, on Their surface of choice....just saying.

For starters, it is super exciting to have the race in the USA again. I will be participating probably in the TC segment only as taking two weeks off of work to race is just a little too expensive for me so 12th scale does not make much of a difference to me. A properly VHT sprayed asphalt track should do well for the 12th scale cars, so long as IFMAR Allows for it.

A nice alternative would be for American RC Companies to get together with ROAR and try to combine forces to cover the expenses of having the 12th scale segment indoors. Sponsorship money is a write off, it would be nice for sponsors to give back to the racers that keep them in business. ROAR allegedly has 200k in a bank account just accruing interests which would be best served for situations like this.

I went to the Worlds in Holland last year and both 1/12 and TC was a total of 7 days I think. Yes some of us got there early to help with the jet lag, but you may not have to take as much time off as you think. We will have to wait and see the schedule. Hopefully they will keep it as short as possible.

2014 worlds
 

Some please please help me understand why is it that 1/12th must be dedicated to asphalt? The class is on road not on carpet

All I know is I am happy it is in America. I hope to be able to attend.

So you're saying there's a chance I can race then :lol:

Ive not done much research on 1/12th attendance but how many racers are expected. How many people really attend for this class alone or does this come as an add on class. How may racers travel to run this class.

If it were on carpet or asphalt how many people race this class. Why isnt anyone disscussing this with IFMAR. This is not a ROAR race. This is an IFMAR race. ROAR assigns the race to a track and IFMAR runs the event.

I was under the impression that Europe runs on carpet because of poor weather for racing 1/12th. I may be wrong about the weather but that was my understanding. My European friends race 1/12th in the winter and nitro in the summer.

Rick and others are correct about the lack of participation but it is what it is. The asphalt will be high bite and the track will be fast.

The track has been cleaned up and is ready for the Asphalt company to do its thing. We're excited to run on it cause there is nothing like new pavement.

Ive been biting my tongue for a while....

One of the things I find most disappointing is that when the idea was presented of FT or Tim Potter's crew hosting the Worlds, both presented the situation as if their intention was to hold the 12th part of the event on Carpet.

FT made a post saying they were planning on having the 12th portion of the race held at the Worldgate Resort, which hosts the Snowbirds each year:

Tim Potter's crew made a post saying they had access to a gym in which to host the 12th scale portion on carpet:

I can't imagine hosting the 12th race in a gym being more expensive than renting out the Worldgate resort. In fact, I would really like to hear from one Tim Potter's guys... a really honest answer on whether or not the gym could have been used to run 12th scale, what the size is, did they discuss viability of this idea with the city/state, etc, etc. I suspect that they did the aforementioned, as they seem to be a very well put together club that can host a great event.

So I find it sad that ROAR or whomever would choose to go with the venue that may be slightly better suited for the ISTC, only to screw the 12th scale contingent. Sure, 12th scale is always the bridesmaid at the EP on-road Worlds. But this choice sort of insures that the 12th event will be sorely lacking in turn-out. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the big names that typically only run 12th at the Worlds (guys like Rheinard, etc) skip the 12th portion altogether this year.

It is awesome that the Worlds will actually be held in the US and Im sure the ISTC portion will be a great event. But, for whatever reason, it was chosen to sacrifice the 12th scale portion to make this happen. I know people have differing opinions about whether 12th should or can be run on asphalt... but the following is indisputable:

1) Asphalt 12th is dead in the US... the country hosting this event. The past ~4 years of ROAR Paved Nats have been unable to fill a full heat of Mod 12th. And the class wasn't even raced in 2011 due to lack of entries.

2) IFMAR stipulates that the 12th portion of the EP On-road Worlds should be held on carpet.


Anyway... I guess I just feel a little misled after the above quotes were posted. If that is the doing of ROAR or the race promoter, I can't say. But any inkling I had to attend this race, either as a spectator or competitor, has vanished.

Edit: It also makes the proximity of the event to IIC an even bigger blunder, as the two events now have zero overlapping class/surface combos.

James_L71: When is the event??? Do you know!!

Couldn't it if it's close enough actually keep some of the big name guys here in America to run the IIC?

Glass half full....Glass half full.

Would you be going or even attempting to go if the next block got it....I think its Japan but not sure.