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Old 06-29-2005, 07:08 AM   #91
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Old 06-29-2005, 08:09 AM   #92
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I ran my fastest lap with a IB3800 on a 3rd run motor. I recut the motor and went out with my best GP3300 pack and went just a tenth slower per lap.

Last pack I went out with my IB3800 deadshorted from first run and it still ran for 40 laps on a 12 sec lap. Thats some mad runtime for a deadshorted pack.

I am impressed with the packs for sure. I dont want to jump to comclusions yet-but so far-no complaints at all. They charged up normal with a 0.03mv/cell 6 amp charge all night long. Pulling in excess of 4350 mAh every time and peaking at about 133 degrees.
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Old 07-01-2005, 09:20 AM   #93
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Last weekend at the CustomWorks oval race in Delaware Steve Wallace TQed with a new track record in 19t with IB3800.

I got a report from one of our drivers who attended that race that the more the pack was run the faster it was on the track.
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Danny-an oval guy here told me the same thing. They are not legal -so he runs his in practice and goes faster in practice with his practice motors than he does in race trim with his race motors and GP's. Hes a top driver too.
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Virtually every track in NorCal have been allowing all the 3600/3700/3800 packs for racing in our various local series. I only keep two really good 3300 packs available for ROAR regionals.
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can anyone let us know if IBs are able to be brought down to 0.0v by using the integy/muchmore/novak style trays? (without any ill effects?)

thanks guys!
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can anyone let us know if IBs are able to be brought down to 0.0v by using the integy/muchmore/novak style trays? (without any ill effects?)

thanks guys!
Chris,

I race with a guy that trays his packs on the Integy 30 tray for about 10 minutes prior to charging. He has had no ill effects and is getting great results.

I do not have IB cells and cannot comment from personal experience.
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Old 07-02-2005, 12:24 AM   #98
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If you take your IB cells down to zero, you can throw them in the bin. They do not like it. Read SMC websites recommendations on care. They are very accurate on how you look after the cells.
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Old 07-02-2005, 12:42 AM   #99
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Actually on the latest batch of IB3800's they actually like it. The normal decrease in run time as seen with GP's, and the voltage goes up and resistance goes down. I've been testing this way for several weeks with good results in 19 touring, and mod offroad truck/buggy.


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can anyone let us know if IBs are able to be brought down to 0.0v by using the integy/muchmore/novak style trays? (without any ill effects?)

thanks guys!
I ask the same question from another thread and Danny/SMC said that you can tray them for 5-10 minutes before charging. This was using a muchmore xero tray.
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Old 07-02-2005, 01:26 PM   #101
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Actually on the latest batch of IB3800's they actually like it. The normal decrease in run time as seen with GP's, and the voltage goes up and resistance goes down. I've been testing this way for several weeks with good results in 19 touring, and mod offroad truck/buggy.


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Hi Michael,
so will you recomemded IB3800 cell discharge until 0 volt? or we need to discharge until 0.9 volt thanks
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If your able to dead-short them, that's terrible news for Novak. Their Smart Tray will become next to obselete, but only if the masses switch to this new cell. The once cheap zero volt trays will most likely skyrocket in price (But probably not as much as the Smart Tray). There is good news, though! Maintnence will become much easier. But what I want to know is what is different about this battery that makes it able to dead short without damage.
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Why will that hurt the Novaks trays sales? It has a dead short mode.
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People would be paying 80 dollars for modes they don't need.
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One thing I may want to add is that there are a few conditions for this to happen- a) These changes are by no means overnight. They will slowly occur gradually as the GP cells are slowly run until they just become practice packs, but they may be decommisioned before that granted the IB3800's actually see a performance increase if brung down to 0 volts.
But the above condition will only take place if this condition is not fullfilled- GP makes some breakthrough technology in their cells, while still requiring them to be brought down to .9V/cell. People that don't have an unlimited budget will gladly take the cheaper, easier maintnenced batteries while sacrificing only a few hundredths of a volt. Which means GP may have to make an average voltage increase of more than .2 (that doesn't cost a fortune).
Here's a scenario you can think of. You just got these amazing IB3800's. They have a 1.9 average voltage, with 500 seconds of runtime, and you are able to bring them down to 0 volts with a 20 dollar discharger. You also have a pack of GP3700's that requires you to buy the Novak Smart Tray so you can bring them down to .9V/cell. The GP's provide the same voltage, but we'll call it 15 seconds less runtime. Given the cost is the same (which it probably will be), wouldn't you rather take the longer run-time, easier maintnenced pack? So I guess what really matters is wether or not GP, or rather the matching companies (including Novak), develop something amazing, that is cheaper or the same price (or even above slightly, for the sake of the argument).
At least that logic seems right to me...
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