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Old 10-21-2005, 01:53 PM   #586
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Danny: What are your thoughts on using a "maintenence zapper" like the Integy unit on these cells? It seems to have helped keep the voltage up on my 3300's, but this will be my first time using 3800's.
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Old 10-21-2005, 03:36 PM   #587
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I never really used a maintenance zapper. I assume that if it worked well for you in the past it should still work.
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Old 10-21-2005, 06:41 PM   #588
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With a temp gun using .02 peak detect for the entire pack your IB3800 packs should peak in the 135-145 range.

lol i'm taking a number and standing in line for those killer volts.

i'm by no means a battery guru, but i gotta ask.. if joe racer walks into a hobby shop and has a choice between brand A gp 3700 cells matched at 30 amps with say 440 run time and 1.19 volts or choose brand b's cells matched at 35 amps with 411 run time and 1.195 + volts why in the hell would they buy brand A's bateries? this is a world dominated by numbers on little labels..it has been that way since the late 80's and hasn't changed ever since. more run time lower Ir and tons of voltage... team drivers run what they are given and can win any race at any time with avg equipment on occasion....but the avg joe racer will buy the best numbers he can find...GP is losing in the numbers game today....and this is coming from a racer who loved the GP 3300 cell fact is i think the 3300 cell was the best cell ever produced for r/c racing the last 20 years...right now though i see IB setting the standard and GP forced to catch up?

oscar if you match batteries you gotta admit the numbers coming from the newset IB cell makes your GP batteries a nice option for a cordless drill? numbers don't lie do they? would you care to take the IB challenge? have a turbo matcher contest may the best cell win? i'll bet on IB today IR voltage and run time all dominated today by IB cells

round 1 gp volts Ir run time
round 2 IB volts Ir run time
round 3 ????????
and the year is not over wow!

the snowbirds should be a deciding factor i'm counting the days....cya bill
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Old 10-21-2005, 08:31 PM   #589
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hey guys, just picked up some IB3800 Pro-match packs...

Any special considerations for choosing a charger when using these packs? Or will anything that charged 3300's work ok?

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Old 10-21-2005, 08:43 PM   #590
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same charger 135 deg .02 drop back instead of 150 deg and .03 drop back used on the GP 3300 cell

dead shorting is a waste and leaving a 500 second charge in the pack if not going to be used 14 days or more is a good idea . gearing down a tooth and playing with brush cuts. they have a lower Ir so they release there power differently than a GP 300 did. oh and try and tray them right before charging. hope that helps? bill
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Old 10-21-2005, 08:46 PM   #591
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Unfortunately you cannot take the Birds as a comparison between the ib3800s and the GP 3700s especially within the mod class, dont forget that Orion/Peak have the best drivers in the world so whether you like it or not they will be using GP 3700s no other human being will be able to get hold of.

Lets face it 'no offence meant' no driver is up to par to Hara, Rheinard or Groskamp, or Teemu at the moment so forget seeing any fair comparison between the two cell manufacturers ..... it would be interesting if each of the mentioned drivers are able to test both cells and see the difference in lap times .... however that would never occur .... the only competitors that would give them a hard time at the moment would be most probs Masami, Burch or Dumas but the odds of placing first is highly unlikely when the above mentioned guys are present.

The true comparison should be made at club level racing .... I have tried the latest generation Peak 3700 cells with all the bells and whistles of 1.195v labels stuck on the the cells and a normal ib3800 bought through an internet site claiming a 1.180 @ 30 amps on its labels . The truth is that the ib3800 gave me a .2 sec advantage per lap over the Peak pack ..... using a 7 turn motor..... I also tried out DC motor sport packs that claimed a 1.179v @ 35amps which also lead to further improvements in lap times. IB 3800's are giving us normal drivers the chance of owning top notch packs unlike the GP promoters who keep there best cells to themselves ......

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Danny recommended the CE Pitbull or Turbo35 to me, as my Millenium was frying my packs. I took his advice and bought the first Pitbull I could find. The step charge works great, and you get that CE quality charge. I'll never look back. And Pro Models: You should get a newer pack of IB's. Mine are 1.196 at 35 amps, with 420 seconds of runtime. I had to use this pack in two races, second one uncharged, because I forgot to charge my other packs. Granted, I didn't finish all of the first race, but I did finish more than half (around 3 minutes), and still had runtime for the full second race, with a 9 turn. I experienced very little drop off.
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Lets face it 'no offence meant' no driver is up to par to Hara, Rheinard or Groskamp, or Teemu at the moment so forget seeing any fair comparison between the two cell manufacturers ..... it would be interesting if each of the mentioned drivers are able to test both cells and see the difference in lap times .... however that would never occur .... the only competitors that would give them a hard time at the moment would be most probs Masami, Burch or Dumas but the odds of placing first is highly unlikely when the above mentioned guys are present.[/QUOTE]

Especailly if you consider the fact that drivers like Blackstock, Cryul, Easton, Burch (Tosso did not do bad this year on indoor carpet with foams consideringsince he is the current ROAR Indoor Carept National Champ) and several others typically win these type of races and most will probably be running IB Cells.
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Danny recommended the CE Pitbull or Turbo35 to me, as my Millenium was frying my packs.
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Did you have a Millenium or Millenium Pro? Any idea what was causing the trouble?

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Regular Millenium. I'm not sure what it was. I didn't use the NiMH setting, because there were problems with that cooking your packs, and I never got the updated version. I just did a linear NiCD charge with 4mV/cell peak detect, and they got really, really hot if I let the charge go all the way through. Now I have perfect charges, so I'm not too worried about the Millenium anymore.
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Old 10-22-2005, 01:08 AM   #596
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I just got IB3800: 416 1.203 @ 35 amps.
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Old 10-22-2005, 01:20 AM   #597
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Hello,
I would like to know if it's easy to make 5 min with an IB3800 and a 8 turn ?

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Yes.
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Where did you get his from, I hope not Promatch.
I've seen some SMC packs with numbers like that. I have several.
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