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Old 05-30-2005, 07:07 AM   #601
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A drop-out score is preciesly that, a score that is dropped and shouldn't count towards anything
So far the past 10+ years all Blocks (IFMAR, EFRA, JMRCA) have been doing it wrong? Is that what you are saying?
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Old 05-30-2005, 07:10 AM   #602
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No

In my opinion I feel how it was done is correct, but I do understand the issues with the system. I think that drop-out scores should not count towards anything because they are dropped.
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A drop-out score is preciesly that, a score that is dropped and shouldn't count towards anything
Ok, so in a points race times are exactly that, times. They also should not count towards anything. Same argument can be used here. Then the obvious conclusion would be that we have a tie for the win and cannot use anything as a tie breaker.

BTW, this is why these kinds of discussions are in effect useless. Assuming that, like RCGaryK indicated, the scoring and tie rules were clearly explained in either the drivers information package or at the drivers meeting prior to the 1st round, any tie breaking rule is indeed fair. All that we're arguing is which rule makes more sense given the unique race format that the Reedy invitational runs against.

The good thing is that we feel we need to have the discussion. Means it was real close and thus very exiting. The whole purpose of the Reedy format!
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You know why this is a completely fair tie breaker? Because everyone knows about it during the opening driver's meeting because it's announced.
I don't aggree with you!
Just because you have been informed about something doesn't make it right! It only makes it valid!!
(ie at one local track in case of tie - after 2 finals - the starting position counts instead - that sucks- of the 3rd final and then the position)

I believe that the tie break is fair. Since they both have same number of positions, then the only thing left to seperate them is fastest round. Fortunately for us/unfortunately for Jilles the race was close and less than a second determine the winner!!

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Old 05-30-2005, 07:15 AM   #605
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If two or more are equal, I propose a final run for them. Same time, same temperature etc. A real decider.
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The scoring for the EC I think is fair!

You have 6 qualifiers where 4 counts. Each qualifier is like a race, you get points according were you finish (not at your 5minutes but for the round)

You add the points of the 4 and that's it! It's like having small championship with 6 races that 4 counts

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No, I think it's a valid point that clearly communicated rules are sufficient. We can argue the merits of each model but when you need tie breakers whatever you use will have it's drawbacks.
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The scoring for the EC I think is fair!

You have 6 qualifiers where 4 counts. Each qualifier is like a race, you get points according were you finish (not at your 5minutes but for the round)

You add the points of the 4 and that's it! It's like having small championship with 6 races that 4 counts

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If two or more are equal, I propose a final run for them. Same time, same temperature etc. A real decider.
The best suggestion sofar!
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Nnick,

Well said, and just to close this subject on my part,

CONGRATS to Craig for the win against the worlds top drivers! And it must be a relief for AE and Reedy to finally win something that big!
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Hi all,
I've raced the Carpet World Cup in Preverenges some months ago with similar "all Finals" Rules.

I have to say that also if this isn't for sure the fairest rules, because luck have an important role ( ie random starting position and random composition of the heats), I have to say that this race format is FUN, every time you have to fight for final position and not against the time.. is a different approach.

So I think that sanctioned events have to remain with actual rules to determine who is the best, but events like Reedy Race or Carpet World Cup are more than welcome if you really want to have fun at an international race..
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ooo a multi-car race off... now that would be interesting.
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In the case of a tie break, rock, paper, scissors to decide the winner
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Old 05-30-2005, 07:33 AM   #615
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Don't understand why you are all arguing over this, this is PURE RACING, the qualifying is done by the pure fact that you have been CHOSEN to partake, so, it is a race off, 8 races, 8 cars per heat, and you start on every single grid position, simple as.

This isn't the world champs, this is a bespoke meeting, held regularly every year for the TOP guys to race against each other. Who wants boring qualifying, let EVERY race count, much more fun.
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