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Old 03-04-2005, 10:47 PM   #2116
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Thanks.

sure hope we can get some set-up discussion going on here for the upcmng TCs races on carpet-but I am starting t fear the dialed F1 guys arent talkin too much!! lol Can you blame them???

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The big secrets to making the tamiya F201 w/ As hookup on carpet is to:

1. use alot of camber like 4deg in the front and 3deg rear
2. run about 2mm uptravel in the rear and 1mm uptravel in the front
3. for Ozite carpet only goop the inside 3/4 of booth the front and reat tires with either a TQ brand ( I like blue or purple ) compound or the trinity Orange stuff. The tyree goop does not work well on these tires for carpet and deathgrip & paragon kill the Tamiya rubber.

Ohh and the stock insrets or the kit inserts work well.

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Spanning from your tip #2...

How do you adjust the up and down stops on the f201 car?

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The big secrets to making the tamiya F201 w/ As hookup on carpet is to:

1. use alot of camber like 4deg in the front and 3deg rear
2. run about 2mm uptravel in the rear and 1mm uptravel in the front
3. for Ozite carpet only goop the inside 3/4 of booth the front and reat tires with either a TQ brand ( I like blue or purple ) compound or the trinity Orange stuff. The tyree goop does not work well on these tires for carpet and deathgrip & paragon kill the Tamiya rubber.

Ohh and the stock insrets or the kit inserts work well.

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Old 03-05-2005, 08:52 PM   #2119
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The big secrets to making the tamiya F201 w/ As hookup on carpet is to:

1. use alot of camber like 4deg in the front and 3deg rear
2. run about 2mm uptravel in the rear and 1mm uptravel in the front
3. for Ozite carpet only goop the inside 3/4 of booth the front and reat tires with either a TQ brand ( I like blue or purple ) compound or the trinity Orange stuff. The tyree goop does not work well on these tires for carpet and deathgrip & paragon kill the Tamiya rubber.

Ohh and the stock insrets or the kit inserts work well.

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Thats so awesome!! Thank you!! NOw quickly delete your post now that I have read it lol

To adjust droop (uptrave) of f1201 is done by adding or removing o-rings inside the shocks.
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Old 03-05-2005, 09:50 PM   #2120
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Spanning from your tip #2...

How do you adjust the up and down stops on the f201 car?

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You adjust the length of the shock by adding o-rings to the inside of the shock and/or screwing the shock end on further. When you change the length of the sooch you will also be chaning the increasing the preload and possibly change the ride height so you make have to tweak the preload to get it just right.


BTW, Will you be attending any of the western TCS events this season? If so you should take a look at the Win's setup and Chris Lim's car, they both work well.
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Old 03-06-2005, 04:00 AM   #2121
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Dont be afraid to experiment with the car, go out and try some odd setups, you will be amazed by the results, the car does not behave like a tourer.

The guys above are correct, make sure you run lots of camber 3-4 is expected, (it looks silly but works trust me) try stiffening the rear end to get stability, for fine tuning of spring preload try using a diff saver, it is half the width of the small preload clip.
try minimal rear toe, and toe out in front.

try just sanding the type a tires, make sure you have tire warmers, and get them real HOT, i have not found that compound helps the tamiya tires, also a big trick in Japan was to run new tires on the rear and worn tires on the front.

any specific questions post away.
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Wow, the cat is coming out of the bag now....

What is common for shock oil on carpet? The world's winning setup recommended 100wt, but at the Trackside TCS I felt like the car was a bit overdampened.

Also, how many run do you put on a set of tires before they go off?

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Wow, the cat is coming out of the bag now....

What is common for shock oil on carpet? The world's winning setup recommended 100wt, but at the Trackside TCS I felt like the car was a bit overdampened.

Also, how many run do you put on a set of tires before they go off?

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Which worlds setup?

i used some borrowed schuie 80wt, felt more like 50wt associated. im pretty sure that was with the 3 hole pistons also. If it is overdamped it will get skaty.

re tires, at club level i have seen them worn till the ribs were gone, i didnt notice a great deal of tire fade, for big events like a TCS nats i would only put around 3 runs on a set, new ones just feel better. On carpet around 2 runs were good for the rears, and fronts could have many runs on them.
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Which worlds setup?

i used some borrowed schuie 80wt, felt more like 50wt associated. im pretty sure that was with the 3 hole pistons also. If it is overdamped it will get skaty.

re tires, at club level i have seen them worn till the ribs were gone, i didnt notice a great deal of tire fade, for big events like a TCS nats i would only put around 3 runs on a set, new ones just feel better. On carpet around 2 runs were good for the rears, and fronts could have many runs on them.
Wow, currently TCS F1 world champ giving advice to newbies. I too can't wait for the TCS downunder and try his race proven setup and hopefully be my pit bitch the sametime.
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The 2005 TCS is going to be awesome. I hope to see everyone from last year there again and we'll all have a blast. Hope it doesn't rain as much as it did though. The weather was awful, but the racing was not. I just need need to sort out my lack of punch issue as well as getting the speed out of the sports tuned. Through the corners, the car wasn't bad last year, but I didn't have the punch and top end that Bradd had, nowhere near. It was awesome to watch up there and I look forward to seeing him sling the 415 around the track in the same manner!!
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Wow, the cat is coming out of the bag now....

What is common for shock oil on carpet? The world's winning setup recommended 100wt, but at the Trackside TCS I felt like the car was a bit overdampened.

Also, how many run do you put on a set of tires before they go off?

Clueless F1 nebwie
If you didnt know Rob-were pitting together in Cinci!!!

I didnt get to try the f1 out yet with these changes-but I did roll the tb-02 on much stiffer springs (purple and greay) and car was horrible. So much to learn about rubber tires. Total mystery.
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"Which worlds setup?"

I think this was from the belgian guy.....
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I was looking for info on the tuned chassis.
Does it come with the
reinforced prop shaft set
lightweight diffs
high speed gear set
light weight prop shaft
alum wheel hubs.
I read Neil Rabara's article at Tamiyas sight and was wondering beside these what else the car might need?
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I was looking for info on the tuned chassis.
Does it come with the
reinforced prop shaft set
lightweight diffs
high speed gear set
light weight prop shaft
alum wheel hubs.
I read Neil Rabara's article at Tamiyas sight and was wondering beside these what else the car might need?
5 volt fans to cool the motor.
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The tuned kit does NOT come with the upgrade Diffs, I am not sure what exacly is and is not included but you are probably better off getting the cheaper kit and adding the parts required.

Basicly the you will want:

hop-up diffs
turnbuckles
CVDs ( atleast for the front )
high speed gear set
reinforced prop shaft set
aluminum motor mount
front and rear shock piston sets ( you don't need the aluminum shock bodies )

Aluminum wheel adapters are a convience worth the money but they do not improve the cars performace.

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