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Old 05-11-2013, 08:34 PM   #1
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Default TRF417V5 VS XRAY T4

Looking to buy a new car what can you guys recommend.
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Go with the current World Champ.
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I can wholeheartedly recommend the t4 or the bd7. The Tamiya is a great car I'm sure, but the t4 is as perfect as you can get at least for me.
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Lots of questions come up when you ask a question.
What surface? (carpet or asphalt)
parts supply?
popular car at track?

I had a 416X which was very nice car as for looks and quality. As for getting around the indoor carpet track. I was not happy with the results. Trying to find parts for the Tamiya is very hard to get in the US. They have about 3 different part numbers and it seem the most needed parts are out of stock. I think the car on asphalt would be a great car but on carpet it is not to be desired in the states.

Go Xray! Everything the Tamiya is lacking the Xray excels in!
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I've run both manufacturers in the past... But on asphalt nothing is as buttery as a Tamiya!
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If you're going to Marvin's track just go with the t4. 417 I think is a bit overkill since we don't run any higher than a 10.5. As for parts, just use ebay
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Old 05-12-2013, 12:03 PM   #7
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In all honesty I don't think the latest Tamiya is a good as years past.
It's not as good on carpet (never Tamiya's best surface) and everyone I know who owns one has bought a Raceberry conversion, which uses BD7 parts!

I believe at the moment the best car on carpet is the BD7, the T4 is a better all rounder.

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In all honesty I don't think the latest Tamiya is a good as years past.
It's not as good on carpet (never Tamiya's best surface) and everyone I know who owns one has bought a Raceberry conversion, which uses BD7 parts!

I believe at the moment the best car on carpet is the BD7, the T4 is a better all rounder.

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I will be only running on asphalt.
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I will be only running on asphalt.
The only way my friends got the 417v5 to work is with the Raceberry soft conversion.

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Do you have any tips on the Raceberry? My mate didnt really like it so went back to the V5 and it seems to have clicked with him and he is loving it.

Getting on topic, both are good cars, T4 is a belter, the TRF is harder to set-up although once working is rapid.

The thing I found (and some others) is that TRF 417's don't like front gear diffs unless they have really thick oils (500k). They handle better with the spool as they have a lot of front end. Also Ackerman makes a lot of difference when running on Carpet to calm the back end.
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The only way my friends got the 417v5 to work is with the Raceberry soft conversion.

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hhmm... my 417x is a monster on asphalt.
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Just spoke to my mate again, he's loving the softer gooseberry conversion.

He described the original v5 chassis as good but inconsistent.

Everyone who tried the harder conversion hated it and went slower.
I do recall one guy hated it so much it changed back in between rounds and went 8s faster.

I'm not saying the 417v5 is bad. But you might want to consider trying one if you can to see if it's what you're after.

Several guys have mentioned that Tamiya's cars used to be better, particularly on asphalt, than anyone else's. Problem for them is the other manufacturers have caught up.

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I am bias toward T4 becauseI run a T4 on asphalt. I saw enough 417 lost their arms and legs in my local track. T4 is simply stronger car to have and perform just in the same level as all yhe top ranking car out there
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Just spoke to my mate again, he's loving the softer gooseberry conversion.

He described the original v5 chassis as good but inconsistent.

Everyone who tried the harder conversion hated it and went slower.
I do recall one guy hated it so much it changed back in between rounds and went 8s faster.

I'm not saying the 417v5 is bad. But you might want to consider trying one if you can to see if it's what you're after.

Several guys have mentioned that Tamiya's cars used to be better, particularly on asphalt, than anyone else's. Problem for them is the other manufacturers have caught up.

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You mentioned this in the 417 thread, but I ran the hard raceberry back-to-back with the soft on low grip asphalt and did the same lap time. Different feel but I'm probably going to stick with the hard chassis for now. You need more than a couple of heats to understand the conversion, the setup is quite different to v5

Back on topic, they are both great cars and as good as each other. I've driven well set up examples of both and they felt very similar, the tammy was a bit more free while the xray was more stable but it was probably set up. Best to choose a car based on what people are running at your club and parts availability
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