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Old 05-17-2005, 01:23 PM   #46
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I agree that the hate thing was a bit out of line....as is your calling someone who you don't even know a bold faced liar without ANY substantiated proof other than your opinion, which obviously differs from many people out there.


True, my opinion differs, but don't they all?

I don't recall calling anyone a liar. I may have noted an inconsistency, that's all.
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How about scrap the readers choice awards altogether and maybe start writing interesting articles. People love to read about professional drivers and VIP's in the industry. These interviews aren't done enough, the article J. Filipow did on Kinwald, I think for extreme was very good.

That doesn't make money, won't happen. Show 'em that they can benefit some $$$$$$$ from it, and then it may happen.
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Then leave.
You have a right to post your oppinions on here and so do I. But mine happens to be of one who thinks this is unusefull info. Tell me why does it matter what won and who didnt. If there isnt moneytary gains for you why do you care?
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That doesn't make money, won't happen. Show 'em that they can benefit some $$$$$$$ from it, and then it may happen.
Dude, lighten up. There is nothing wrong with a company trying to make a dollar. If you don't like the mag, it really is pretty easy to just leave it alone! Is it so wrong for a company to try to appeal to the masses? Doug D, I think you just came up with some good constructive criticism! If you don't like what you see, WRITE THOSE F#####G GUYS and tell them!! How is bashing the sh!t out of a magazine on a message board really gonna do anything?
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You have a right to post your oppinions on here and so do I. But mine happens to be of one who thinks this is unusefull info. Tell me why does it matter what won and who didnt. If there isnt moneytary gains for you why do you care?

Dude, I'm not arguing the list, just the morals behind the list. If I offend you that much, look the other way. If no one pays attention, then I'll have no audience, and therfore will stop talking.


Is it too much to think that I may be concerned for the new guys, that this mag is possibly leading them the wrong way?


You all give me no credit, passing me off as some hack who is just being a jerk: that is untrue. Why do you think that I am so empassioned about this? Maybe it has to do with 13 years experience in R/C, and a love of HONESTY and respect. Though, respect dies when morals are thrown away.

My point: If rcca is as good as they like to think, then prove it by not perpetrating favoritism and prjudice.
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Yeah! Who cares? I stopped reading RCCA about the same time Xtreme RC Magazine came out. Hmm, what a coincidence.

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Dude, I'm not arguing the list, just the morals behind the list. If I offend you that much, look the other way. If no one pays attention, then I'll have no audience, and therfore will stop talking.


Is it too much to think that I may be concerned for the new guys, that this mag is possibly leading them the wrong way?


You all give me no credit, passing me off as some hack who is just being a jerk: that is untrue. Why do you think that I am so empassioned about this? Maybe it has to do with 13 years experience in R/C, and a love of HONESTY and respect. Though, respect dies when morals are thrown away.

My point: If rcca is as good as they like to think, then prove it by not perpetrating favoritism and prjudice.
I understand what you mean, but feel you are off base and going about things the wrong way. It is easy to see the adds in the mag and then see the results for Trinity in the poles and "put 2 and 2 together". The bottom line is that people voted for those products for whatever reasons they saw fit. The same as all those people that voted for Bush. Call them stupid, silly, uneducated, corporate sheep, whatever you like...and realise that you are in fact calling Pete a liar, although not directly. I have read many an article in a magazine that I have felt to be way out of whack, but I realised that this was an opinion different from mine, nothing more or less.
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16. battery here we go........trinity
I'm not trying to start more crap than there already is, but I think only one person, if anybody runs trinity batteries at the track I go to. And yes I know it isn't only my track that makes the decision but it just makes me wonder. Maybe they should have a Real Racer's Choice Awards.
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Trinity may be the "Microsoft" of RC, any many don't like the tactics used my this giant. However, its a love hate relationship. For YEARS, all the batteries we ran, if they were Sanyo's were comming through Trinity. Now, most of the motors we run, start out comming through Trinity. (Epic based motors) They supply alot of the small companies a way to do business. So, we all love to Hate the company, however we love the hobby, and I'll bet there are very FEW people in RC that don't run Trinity products in one form or another. Fact is they bring some good stuff to the table. Anybody running xxx brushes??? Real similar to the reedy brushes at half the price. THose A-holes, what were they thinking bringing out a good product for half the price?!?!

Oh yea, alot of the smaller matching companies get their GP cells from T as well.

Furthermore, How do you think the results of a poll would go in "Right Wing Republican Magazine" if they asked who they wanted for Pres? Pretty sure it would be GWB. Skewed results??? No, Remember, they polled the READERS. If those readers WHO RESPONDED all liked the Trinity stuff, then so be it. Its not a poll of the entire industry.

Some people hate Microsoft too, but I bet over 90% of them are using one or more of their programs to be able to surf on this Web SITE!
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I think a big concern some people will have is the fact that RCCA has a reader choice awards but they advertise it on there cover as BEST IN RC in large letters followed later by reader choice awards in much smaller print.

Also my instinct tells me there where probably less the 10K people who voted out hundreds of thousands of readers so this alone unfortunately gives a very false representation of the true reader opinion. even our presidential election has more voter turn out.

I think RCCA would do a service to the hobby (some call it a sport) as a whole and just drop it for next year as it becomes more of a farse every year.

While on my soapbox they should also think of maybe doing an article on something other then "The latest review of a product by a company that buys ad space" which dominates the mag look at other magazines in other hobbies from photography to surfing to basket weaving and they are about having fun with the hobby as a whole and not just a fluff piece to appease the advertisers.
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Dude, I'm not arguing the list, just the morals behind the list. If I offend you that much, look the other way.
Phatkat - you ought to follow what you say. If you don't like the mag, then don't read it. By your comments and quote at the bottom of your messages, you are the type of person who believes only your position is right, and everyone else is wrong.

The Tamiya 415 kicked all comers butts in the last two IFMAR Worlds, and only got third in polling. Hey, I'm very happy with my 415 and even went out and bought a 415MS.

If you are going to continually ripe on RCCA mag because you feel "entitled" to your opinion, then quit getting so defensive when people ripe you back because they have they same right to voice their opinion. That's the beauty of a democracy. You know, something Iraq didn't have the choice of before the U.S. of A. paid 'ol Saddam a visit !

As for looking out for the new guys, doubtful. More like trying to impart your personal opinion as the only true and correct opinion.
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Dude, I'm not arguing the list, just the morals behind the list. If I offend you that much, look the other way. If no one pays attention, then I'll have no audience, and therfore will stop talking.


Is it too much to think that I may be concerned for the new guys, that this mag is possibly leading them the wrong way?


You all give me no credit, passing me off as some hack who is just being a jerk: that is untrue. Why do you think that I am so empassioned about this? Maybe it has to do with 13 years experience in R/C, and a love of HONESTY and respect. Though, respect dies when morals are thrown away.

My point: If rcca is as good as they like to think, then prove it by not perpetrating favoritism and prjudice.
Think you need to understand, people arent that stupid and they dont believe what the magazines write completely. I have yet to met someone that thinks the stuff they wite about is accurate . If they do thats their problem for being idiots. Once those people go to the hobby store they will buy what ever the clerk thinks is best anyway! Those are the people you should be concerned with.
Even though I am no fan of reporters! The readers picked those products regardless. You might want to look at who are the morons that voted ! The magazines wrote about the results.

Ask this! How many of the guys posting here actually voted? I am sure the subscribers to RC TECH would have voted differently and for those that read the magazines evintualy make it here to this place where everything posted is real and accurate! ( sarcasm )
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My point: If rcca is as good as they like to think, then prove it by not perpetrating favoritism and prjudice. [/B][/QUOTE]




Why are you posting what you perceive as favoritism and prejudice as fact. Do you have proof that RCCA just ignored the votes and pluged in the winners with who pays them the most in advertising because if that is the case. I know of one company that should sweep all categories.
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Who knows how they run the poll but Rick from Peak bring out a good point. I think there is something fishy going on but again who knows for sure, they said YOU VOTED & HERE ARE THE WINNERS.
Here is the bottom line. if you don't like what you see, just stop buying the magazine. The same with all the advertisers, if you don't like this Reader Choice thing ... just stop your advertising for a few months and they'll get the message.
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This is hilarious!

Some of you are forgetting something.

I ask:

Do you remember being a kid and all excited about R/C in the 1980's ???

I know I do...It was great. My dad got me a new Hornet and Magnum Jr. radio. Many fun afternoons jumping ramps, off-roading and "racing" went down.

As a kid in love with my new hobby, I always wanted to read about it and look for hop-ups for my car and tricks to make it faster.

What was ALWAYS in my backpack from grades 5-10???

An issue of Radio Control Car Action.

I would sneak it into class and dream about hopping up my car. It was nothing but good times.

However, now I'm an adult, a former Marine, a grad-student and am getting married. My hobby has matured along with me.

I now race. I run Carpet 1/12th and touring. I know rollout equations and can tell what my car is doing wrong with just a couple laps. Where as a kid I MAY of have a max of about $300 into the hobby, I now have easily over $8000.00 invested if not more.

However think of this...how many of us adults are rolling up an issue of RCCA in our briefcases and daydreaming all day of big-air and cool hop-ups for our cars???

Not many...

The kids are the ones who vote in these polls and are into the hobby for fun, not senseless bickering. Besides, are any of you or your "hardcore" racing friends gonna suddenly buy brand X just because it's "#1" in a READERS CHOICE POLL?!?!?

I don't think so...

Pull your heads out of your asses and leave the damn magazine alone.
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