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Old 04-30-2005, 04:03 PM   #91
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This is the lamest thread ever. Besides the fact that it has been hashed out 500 times already, no one will change my mind. I doubt anyone else will change theirs judging from the responses here. So just stop.
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Old 04-30-2005, 04:42 PM   #92
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These "speed at all costs" types literally suck ALL the fun out of this hobby.
It tends to be the nature of racing Soviet, as unfortunate as that is.

Even in spec racing it happens. Old school legends class. Spec motor and spec battery. Rich guy bought 50 motors and 50 battery packs, tested each, kept the best 5 or 6 of each and sold the rest off.

Its gonna happen we just have to deal with it and I think foam tires makes it easier to deal with.

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Speed is all relitive...I race for the competition.
LOL. I see. "Its all relative". Go ahead and poke fun at the guy from West Virginia. lol
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Old 04-30-2005, 06:53 PM   #93
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Better to poke fun at the guy from West Virginia than the guy who races in the Mabuchi classes

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Even in spec racing it happens. Old school legends class. Spec motor and spec battery. Rich guy bought 50 motors and 50 battery packs, tested each, kept the best 5 or 6 of each and sold the rest off.
How is that a bad thing? The "serious" person gets the performance he wants and the people who just want solid packs and motors get them at a reduced cost. Sounds like a win-win to me.
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Old 04-30-2005, 07:51 PM   #94
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It IS a win-win. The rich guy is NOT fast, and will never be fast. And the other spec racers get medium grade equipment at a low grade price. Can't go wrong with that.

I'm commenting from personal observation.
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Old 04-30-2005, 09:35 PM   #95
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The rich guy is NOT fast, and will never be fast.
Actually the rich guy was fast just not the fastest... until he found a way to acquire an equipment advantage via his deep pockets.

Just showing that even spec classes can be affected by money. Whether that is bad or not "is all relative"
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Old 04-30-2005, 10:44 PM   #96
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WOW that is the most defensive post I've seen yet.
I was seething with anger when I wrote that.

That and I'm frustrated by the fact that I'm a full-time student and in order to afford racing in my area I practically have to take out loans to get by.

A good-natured and sensible spec-type class would be really nice. And I'm NOT talking about Legends or T-Spec.

My Perfect "fantasy" class:

1:10th Touring Outdoor
Fixed Timing 19T
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Unlimited battery choice
8 min quals and mains
5mm ride-height minimum
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Soviet, even though I run foam indoor i am a huge fan of rubber outdoor. I think that calss would be the greatest.
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i like it too but why the 5mm req'ment? shouldnt the tracks themselves adjust that according to how smooth it is?
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I was seething with anger when I wrote that.

That and I'm frustrated by the fact that I'm a full-time student and in order to afford racing in my area I practically have to take out loans to get by.

A good-natured and sensible spec-type class would be really nice. And I'm NOT talking about Legends or T-Spec.

My Perfect "fantasy" class:

1:10th Touring Outdoor
Fixed Timing 19T
Rubber Tires
Unlimited battery choice
8 min quals and mains
5mm ride-height minimum
That's exactly what my track runs. Except we do 5 min. IFMAR qual. and 5 min. mains. It's a really enjoyable way to race, and we spend more time on setup and driving skills than motor tuning and battery cycling.
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That's exactly what my track runs. Except we do 5 min. IFMAR qual. and 5 min. mains. It's a really enjoyable way to race, and we spend more time on setup and driving skills than motor tuning and battery cycling.
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i like it too but why the 5mm req'ment? shouldnt the tracks themselves adjust that according to how smooth it is?
Ok...then ditch the 5mm requirement.

But yeah, it would be a fun class for exactly the reasons Pro4Capece stated.
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i like it too but why the 5mm req'ment? shouldnt the tracks themselves adjust that according to how smooth it is?
5mm is pretty well the standard for ride height on rubber carpet everywhere.
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Old 05-01-2005, 12:44 PM   #102
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My Perfect "fantasy" class:

1:10th Touring Outdoor
Fixed Timing 19T
Rubber Tires
Unlimited battery choice
8 min quals and mains
5mm ride-height minimum
We run indoor carpet with these rules cept 5 min qual and mains, though I wish we could run longer.

Anyways, the one issue with these rules are the battery rules. The guy with money to burn will have the better batteries. Batteries are always a tough issue IMO for a 'spec' series, one guy will have $200 packs vs another with $40 packs(me). He will have a $600 charger, I will have a $200 charger. Driving skills be ing equal... I will lose everytime. Well... I am slowly catching the guys with the $$, what will it take for me to pass them? $200 batteries? $600 charger? No way around this one that will keep everyone happy without leaving the battery choice wide open...

Mebbe two classes... just like drag racing... top fuel = batteries 1.17 or greater, Alcohol = batteries up to 1.17...

Just a thought
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i think thats a good idea actually. having classes based on battery numbers. so like rookies like me who only use 2nd hand batts can kinda keep up.
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Yeah, but the problem with that is that eventually numbers on batteries fall off. After a couple months, a pack matched at 1.175 will surely be below 1.170.
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Old 05-01-2005, 04:27 PM   #105
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Thats ok Brian,

As those with the money to buy the better packs, will be those buying their way into the 'Top Fuel' class. If their batteries have grown weaker... thats too bad if they can't keep up.

At least no batteries purchased at 1.16 will become 1.18's

The 'alcohol' group would have its share of people buying up all the 1.16's but at least they don't cost as much as the 'top fuel' packs.
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