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Old 06-01-2005, 11:09 AM   #91
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Josh,

Will it be a further development, something down the line of the Cyrul-protos during your time at Trinity?

It showed quite some other ideas/angles different from regular designs,,,
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Old 06-01-2005, 12:04 PM   #92
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Looks more like the old KX-1.
I dont think it looks at all like the KX1... more like this one...RCLabs
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I love unorthodox designs and this was one chassis I was drooling over at Reedy. Like some already mentioned, I would like to thank Josh and Kyosho for bringing this car out. Might not have been in top form, but it surely looked competitive especially in the invite class and only a few days of building, prepping, and racing.

Regarding the car, it did look like an RCLab from afar with its all-silver bulkheads. But I really think it mostly resembles the exotic Alex Racing Club Enthuse4 from circa 2000~2001 even more. I was almost tempted to bring my CE4 to Reedy to compare them side by side, but just didn’t have time to go back and forth 100 miles as I was also racing in spec. I do hope something comes about from Josh’s experimental chassis. It definitely looks promising. Besides, Kyosho needs a new sedan now that they have officially “re-entered” the competitive US market.
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Old 06-02-2005, 12:46 AM   #94
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I've allways loved the Culb Enthuses design, but never bought one, because of lack of spares availability.
But it is special though.....
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Old 06-02-2005, 01:40 PM   #95
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All I have to say is that car is awsome! It has to have the longest arms I have ever seen. If it is that good outside with rubber, I cannot wait to see it on carpet with foam.
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Old 06-02-2005, 02:05 PM   #96
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jwf_frani - The thought of putting the steering to the front is simply to control the outside front tire better (as full size race cars do). With rear steer cars, when you hit a bump or loose traction on the outside front tire the steering linkage looses pressure and this allows the tire to turn more - thus creating that sudden center of the corner oversteer (when the tire regains traction) or oversteer when hitting a bump. Front steer doesn't do that which allows you to run a much more aggressive set-up to generate corner speed with.

FW-05RR - This is 100% prototype and while it can be a pain to work on, it is completely adjustable for us to test roll centers and pin positions. Production will be simplified and extremely easy to work on.

kylehirano - Paul was running the same car but with a completely different set-ups so we could learn as much as possible from 2 different perspectives. It also allowed us to see that even with completely different set-ups, there were a few basic things that made the car better for both situations.

Jon Kerr - The car is several parts of several cars I've driven and liked over the years. The motor and batt position is similar to the old SW but it is much farther forward than all these other "mid motor" cars everyone keeps refering to. The CE car has the motor much farther forward than our current position.

Dirt-Racer - No plans for that at all as far as I know....

OSherman - Actually, the spur is approx. 5-6mm lower than the old style Xray cars and I believe the Xray top shaft was lower than the OB4 - Just looked high because we used 134t spurs to try the motor moved back in the chassis....

PizzaDude - It will be a constant, ongoing development with Kyosho until we come to a design that both Kyosho and myself are happy with so we can win some races and provide a good product for Kyosho's customers.

One thing I have to say, it's so funny to hear everyone compare it to other cars out there. There really is only so much that can be done with these cars and it's a matter of 1-3mm of positions (motor, battery, suspension) that can make or break a car. Well, back to work!!
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Josh,

thanks for the reply. I think you have a very cool and promising project on your hands, don't stop now.

any chance of you/someone posting pics of Pauls car?..

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Old 06-02-2005, 02:44 PM   #98
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Kudos Josh. I was looking through here to see if there were any pictures of the car. I heard, and saw you running it at Reedy but never expected that you would post any answers about it. Good professionalism, and good luck with the development.
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Josh:
I envy your position. I think it would be really exciting to design a car from ground up. Good luck and have some fun.
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Josh, did you get my e-mail?

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Josh,

Thanks for the answers to all our questions, due you have a projected release date for the car? and will 28mm foams fit this car without having to use spacers or dremel tool

Thanks
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Josh, good luck with the car. Really promising... Out of curiousity, will this be a US designed car or are testing planned in other countries as well? Would be interesting to see where you guys will be running it next...
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Josh great point on that their is only so many ways to make a car. Just a 1mm either way can make a huge differance. Car looks promising. Good luck to you and Paul. I'm sure when its all said and done you will make a great car for Kyosho.

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I love unorthodox designs and this was one chassis I was drooling over at Reedy. Like some already mentioned, I would like to thank Josh and Kyosho for bringing this car out. Might not have been in top form, but it surely looked competitive especially in the invite class and only a few days of building, prepping, and racing.

Regarding the car, it did look like an RCLab from afar with its all-silver bulkheads. But I really think it mostly resembles the exotic Alex Racing Club Enthuse4 from circa 2000~2001 even more. I was almost tempted to bring my CE4 to Reedy to compare them side by side, but just didn’t have time to go back and forth 100 miles as I was also racing in spec. I do hope something comes about from Josh’s experimental chassis. It definitely looks promising. Besides, Kyosho needs a new sedan now that they have officially “re-entered” the competitive US market.

from the pics on page 14 of the Reedy/Tamiya race thread and
now seeing the Alex Enthuse4.... it is the closet thing to it in general overall layout of the car Josh ran.
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Yanno........ I watched just about every run of Josh's and Paul's. I thought their cars were awesome for being 3 days old. They constantly worked on them and improved the setups. I watched Josh one run absolutely run circles around some guys with it. I told him after the run that it was the best the car looked. It rotated great and never slowed down in the corners.

I think the design is unique and seems to work well for the first time out. No one else has rear mounted shocks on the front arms and allows A LOT of room to slam the front body down. I noticed some design thoughts from other cars but who cares. It is all testing in the end. I can find lots of design ideas from other companies for their cars.

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