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Old 04-23-2005, 04:27 PM   #136
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Erlend,

Jonas Anderson switched to Tamiya TRF415 after the Nordic Winter Race....
Not sure he is part of the TRF Team yet, I think he runs for Procar, the TRF Distributer in Sweden.

I know that David, Marc and Jonas is running the "Old" 415, not the MS....
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Old 04-23-2005, 04:34 PM   #137
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The Losi Team used to include Dumas and Lemieux, as well as a few other carpet aces. Not to take anything away from Kinwald, Francis, etc. But they are certainly not the On-Road Specialists that Rheinhard, Hara etc, are. Also bear in mind that they are working with a completely new design, and it will take time to work it out. Where as the HPI, X-Ray, TRF, AE, and Corally camps are working with extremely evolutionary designs. It'll come around eventually. I just think guys like Spash, Dumas etc could get it where it needs to be alot quicker.
I don't think the losi is a completely new design more of a evolution from the Pro3. and as I recall... when the Pro3 came out... Hara was placing in the top 5 in competition. and yes you are right in time the new Losi will be very competative. but then again.. team drivers has had the car long enough to be competative....
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Old 04-23-2005, 04:37 PM   #138
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Daves car is the MS just with the std suspension on
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Old 04-23-2005, 06:03 PM   #139
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Iīm just back from the LRP race. Itīs two hours again after midnight now so I wonīt post any pictures tonight as itīs too much work now and I have to go up early in the morning again. Will post the pictures after the race then. But I will post some informations now.

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You had the first question. Masami is running a 2.5mm kit chassis, nothing special.

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No Kyosho drivers here. Cyril never was on the drivers list and Paul Lemieux cancelled the race but I donīt know why. There were several people including me who wanted to know what car Paul would run.

I was talking to Umino regarding the bodies Masami and Adachi are running. He confirmed itīs the Ride MK III. The Excel may be the same as the Ride maybe just the wing is different as both drivers are not running a Ride wing. After the 2nd heat Umino changed the wing on Masamiīs car to a Yokomo wing.

Marc and David are running the Mazda 6 and donīt seem to change to any other. Most drivers are using a Mazda or Stratus 3 now with Ride MK III and Accord to be seen also. But itīs very difficult for getting a Ride body here as noone sells them.

Regarding qualifying itīs the point system with 2 heats to count.
As Marc Rheinard did win all of the three runs today he is on TQ right now. In the beginning Hara was the only driver able for running on the same level as Marc. After the first heat they were seperated by just 0.7 seconds. The rest of the field were at least 4 seconds away.
At the second heat about everybody was able for quicker laptimes as the grip is improving more and more. Hara again was on 2nd place but with a little higher distance of 1.4 seconds. Marc and Hara were the only one improving on 23 laps now with Juho missing the 23 laps by 1.3 seconds.
At the 3rd round Hara made a mistake on the second lap and Adachi who was right behind him crashed into him. Haras car broke and Adachis car some laps later. Meanwhile Ralph Burch had a good run in the beginning but had bad luck later so was not able for 23 laps but he did the fastest laptime until then with 13.35 seconds. In the last group Masami was crazy fast and improved from lap to lap. He shot a best lap on 13.26. and Marc answered with a 13.23 but Masami was not able for this fast laps consistently. Masami ended this round on 2nd place with 23 laps on 5.11,0 and Marc winning this round with 2.4 seconds faster. During this round Marc had to lap a group of 4 drivers and it seemed to me this costed him some time so otherwise he would have been even faster. As Masami started much later in this group he didnīt have to lap this guys.

Surikarn wasnīt that fast in the 3rd round what costed him some places overall. Same happened to David Spashett.
The Losi guys really donīt seem to have fun. They are much to slow. Todd broke in every round this will be very disappointing for him. Itīs really bad if you have to do a long flight to a race and then bad luck only.
Hupo Hönigl is the fastest Losi driver and he did a very good 9th place in the first round. But he had bad luck in the second round and couldnīt start because of a technical problem. In the 3rd round he wasnīt fast enough so he dropped to 14th place currently.

Itīs one more round of qualifying tomorrow morning and we will see who will stay in the A-Main or may improve from a B-Main place. But as said already Marc is on poleposition already and I think Hara also will stay on 2nd place.
But there will be a fight for 3rd place on the grid between David Spashett, Masami and Juho.
Currently there are 4 TRF 415, 2 HB Cyclone, and one of each Yokomo BD, Xray, TC4 and Schumacher on a provisional A-Main position.

Umino is changing a lot of things on Masamiīs car all the time and stripping down after about every run. He īs even changing ESCīs from the VFS-1 to GM SX12W and back again. Overall the Yokomo and HB drivers are wrenching a lot on their cars. Marc is doing just a fraction of this.
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Old 04-23-2005, 06:28 PM   #140
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Just forgot some things.
The TRF 415 drivers are using the stock 415 with the old suspension. Some are using the 2.5mm chassis but this is as some drivers bought an MS and switched to the old suspension for carpet racing. I donīt know which chassis David is running but Marc is on a 3mm.

Just some interesting on the HB Cyclone. During construction they must have had a certain car on the table. Today I saw a rear shocktower from both a TRF 415 and a Cyclone screwed together. Guess what.... all holes were completely identical.
Hara runs a white rear belt on his car. What do you think from which car this belt is actually?

The Losi guys beside Kinwald and Mike Dumas also are running the Spektrum system and I havenīt heard of any problems. I saw an orange Spektrum receiver in Todds car but itīs just a different colour not a different receiver.
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what you said there goes quite well with something i was told a while ago. the 415 and pro4 (and now also the Cyclone) use very very similar suspension geometry.... Also proved with the hpi hubs being a direct fit (well almost) onto the lwt suspension of the car.

BTW, the guys who are using 2.5mm chassis would have to be running an MS with old suspension.... unless they have a fibrelyte 2.5mm chassis. Reason being is that the suspension blocks are closer together on the MS chassis than the std one. So it woould make more sense to modify the suspension arms, rather than drill new holes in tha chassis.
just to add, the fibrelyte chassis is exactly the same as the std one, just 2.5mm thick. They also do one for the MS, at 2mm thick.

Looks like it's an interesting race over there.... I think this comment just about sums a lot about different attitudes towards racing...

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Overall the Yokomo and HB drivers are wrenching a lot on their cars. Marc is doing just a fraction of this.
Just imagie what would happen if marc did do the wrenching....

Anyway, thanks for the coverage, looking forward to the pics.

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Old 04-23-2005, 07:12 PM   #142
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Thanks for the info V12, good to hear the story behind the results
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Old 04-23-2005, 07:30 PM   #143
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Thats the biggest worry of all. If the guys running it since then cannot get it to work with the help of Gil Losi then what hope is there for your average joe racer?

Makes you wonder if its only come out as they were already tooled up for the mouldings and had no option but to sell it as it had all come so far? Have you seen the hassle the guys have had on the JRXS thread about 3700's not fitting? On the same post one of the reasons for the delays in the car coming out was apparently the fact they were redesigning it to fit 3700's and 3800's and it seems neither fits without a lot of cutting Some redesign.
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Old 04-23-2005, 08:42 PM   #144
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I just wish we could have a big rubber tire/carpet race like that here in the U.S. They always sound like a lot of fun and much more challenging than a foam tire race.
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I think it's beyond challenging and fun......

there are 2 big foam tires manufacturers in USA...........doesn't matter where the tires are actually produced......

Theres no EP car foam tires manufacturer in Europe, even with GRP being an European firm, they don't produce any tire for electric racing.......

So, the europeans can choose anything to race, with no worries about 2 foam tires producers placed in Europe......since rubber tires are cheaper, more challenging, improve driving and wrenching skills, I think the choice is obvious.....

This is my thought, makes sense for me.....
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.since rubber tires are cheaper, more challenging, improve driving and wrenching skills, I think the choice is obvious.....

This is my thought, makes sense for me.....
I couldn't have said it better myself!!!!
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just want to clarify that I'm not bashing Americans drivers nor manufacturers........

but the races results are showing that......

Asian and European drivers are the fastest under any conditions......IMO it's happening due to rubber tire racing......

We all are humans, of course natural talent makes difference, but I think everyone can be fast enough to be on the top place.....

European and Asian drivers are "doing it the hard way" through the whole year (I'm meaning rubber tire racing only), so feels like they can set the pace easilly and quickly......
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I just wish we could have a big rubber tire/carpet race like that here in the U.S. They always sound like a lot of fun and much more challenging than a foam tire race.
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do the rubber tires wear out the carpet faster?
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Old 04-23-2005, 10:25 PM   #150
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Not on the track I ran them on. Two weeks worth of running CS-27's and you could still see the shine on parts of the tire. But that's my experience.
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