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Old 07-28-2002, 12:27 PM   #1
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Default Orion Vortex First Look

We got our grubby hands on one of the first Orion Vortex brushless motors and have just posted some additional information on this new motor.

http://www.wildhobbies.com/news/defa...&articleid=704

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Although the novak brushless set is not yet in production, they have stated that they will be using sensored brushless motors while team orion's motors are sensorless. My knowledge of brushless motors is very limited; so what are the advantages of using a sensorless system versus a sensor system?
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I think the sensored system allows them to monitor the motor with the speed control (obviously) and they need this information becuase they are going to have the stock profile on there, as well as allowing you to program in a simulated wind, I believe.

If they didn't have the sensors, they could just set the stock profile simply by voltage, or switching freguency, but if one motor was a bit better as in better magnets etc. there would be nothing you could do about it.
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Has anybody actually tested it?
Is it controllerable and competitive at the track?

Thank you.
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Old 07-30-2002, 09:47 AM   #5
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We are working on that right now.
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As far as I know, Sensorless controllers actually use more advanced technology than the type that do use sensors. A Brushless controller has to "Know" where the rotor is in it's cycle and how fast it is going, to be able to switch the current at the correct time. Sensor controllers use a Hall effect type sensor to do this, whereas Sensorless use variations in the electronic pulses coming back to the controller.

The vortex also uses ferrite magnets which apparently aren't well suited to brushless motors.
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Only time and more testing will tell. I know they used Ferrite to stay within IFMAR rules. Whether that helps the Vortex get approved or not probably won't be known for many months.
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Kerry are you going to be at socal on Sat testing, if so I would love to see it in action
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Actually no, on Saturday we will be out at Pro-Line testing it in an Associated T3. We have a pro driver signed up to give it a solid workout to help us get very specific feedback on performance. If all goes well, I will try to be at SoCal next Tuesday night with it installed in a TC3 and try to get a few people to try it out. After that, the plan is to also try it in an E-Maxx, a TXT-1, and a Schumaker Big-6 Electric.
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KerryG > Any news on the motor yet?

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Actually no, on Saturday we will be out at Pro-Line testing it in an Associated T3. We have a pro driver signed up to give it a solid workout to help us get very specific feedback on performance. If all goes well, I will try to be at SoCal next Tuesday night with it installed in a TC3 and try to get a few people to try it out. After that, the plan is to also try it in an E-Maxx, a TXT-1, and a Schumaker Big-6 Electric.
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Are these going to fit in a TC3, they look larger thatn standard motors?
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KerryG
Any news yet on the test results ???
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Aaaaah ! C-on !!!!

You guys have had more than enought time (one week) to install & test this new orion motor.....

Guess your having problems with it ???

At least give us a update....

thanks....
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Mike Truthe was testing one of the Orion brushless motors at Socal at Monday. Once they got the speed control set right it was pretty fast. It was about as fast as a 7 or 8 turn and looked like it had tons of torque.
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Hi,

I was talking to a guy from LHS. He was telling me that the trouble with Brushless controller today is that it can't slow down properly. Such that if you brake, it takes time for it to "learn" the rotor position. This cause lost time and speed.

Any idea ?
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