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Old 04-03-2005, 09:13 PM   #1
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Default xxx-s g+ or Tc4 team kit

Hello i am currently racing 12th scale with an L4, i would like to get into touring again aswell but with the new kits out i have narrowed it down to what i might like. My question is i run on indoor carpet track that is about 25' x 25' not a really big track but not bad size. What kit would suit me more the losi or the assoc.?



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p.s. Parts for both are available at the track, my main question was i heard the losi performs well on wide open track and does not do as well a job on smaller tracks.
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Old 04-03-2005, 09:17 PM   #2
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tc4 all the way. xxx-s is good, but the tc4 is faster in my opinion.
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tc4 all the way. xxx-s is good, but the tc4 is faster in my opinion.
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Old 04-03-2005, 10:13 PM   #4
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TC4!

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TC4 is definatly the way to go
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Old 05-01-2005, 07:44 PM   #6
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TF version. I still think the XXX-S is a great car. I would go for it rather than the current plastic TC4.
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TF version. I still think the XXX-S is a great car. I would go for it rather than the current plastic TC4.
The TC4 isn't plastic...
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The TC4 isn't plastic...
then what is it made of?
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then what is it made of?
Fiber impregnated nylon.

Plastic, most noteably ABS plastic is nothing more than pure polymer without any sort of re-enforcing structure.

Fiber impregnated nylon is much stronger than any typical "plastic" since it has a matrix of fibers mixed into the molten nylon before being used in the injection molding process.

The only difference between the "carbon" molded parts and the FIN molded parts is graphite content.
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isnt nylon still considered plastic?
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most refer to the stock parts as plastic.
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isnt nylon still considered plastic?
"Plastic" in the RC world is usually a derogatory term and it generally refers to cheap ABS-Type plastics.

All plastics are whats known as Polymers.

However many advanced polymers have replaced standard ABS plastic in the RC world for quite some time.

Nylon technically is a "plastic" however to call it a polymer would be more appropriate. That plus the fact that it is reinforced with fiberglass serves to make it exceedingly strong, light and resistant to bending.

Now, when you get the "Factory Team" molded "graphite" parts, you still are starting out with the same base material, Fiber reinforced Nylon. Graphite powder and carbon fibers are added to the molten mixture to increase torsional rigidity. Thus the parts are somewhat "stiffer" yet will break easier due to the fact that the nylon matrix is weakened by the excessive graphite content.


Summary of lesson:

1. Plastic is a bad word

2. Fiber reinforced nylon is NOT "plastic", it's damn good stuff.

3. Molded "Graphite" parts are actually fiber reinforced nylon with a little extra carbon tossed in the mix for rigidity.

yay...
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so, in r/c, its called super plastic!
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All plastics are whats known as Polymers.


Nylon technically is a "plastic" however to call it a polymer would be more appropriate. Summary of lesson:

yay... [/B]
Ok, so I would wait for the graphite plastic parts. he...he...
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