TC design talk.
#91
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yes, but the general design will not change. They are so confined to a limitation that they only can do minor changes like move some part a mm here and there. There is no out-of-the box ideas to make it exciting. Even if there was one, ROAR will eagerly go and smash the idea.
But honestly, I can't imagine the cars being able to handle any better than it can now. At least using the physical amount of grip available(tires/surface).
But honestly, I can't imagine the cars being able to handle any better than it can now. At least using the physical amount of grip available(tires/surface).
Then everyone caught up then the 415MS came out.
Then everyone caught up then the BD7 came out.
Every time the previous cars got left in the dust and everyone else played catch up.
I think that the Associates TC6.1WC is on par with the BD7 and the Xray T4 might be on par with the BD7 and TC6.1 by the next major race.
#93
Seen many types of design in TC. Hara even won with a HB drift car (motor mid front, battery back) in a TC race.
Motor in the front (Ta03), mid (Tao5, Neo, drift designs), and back (414 - 417 etc).
Battery in both stick and saddle pack, in various layouts. Inline (Ta06, Losi), saddle (older designs), long (modern design), across (old design).
Shocks in both traditional, laydown IFS, and rotary (Awesomatix). Even off-road shocks are now used.
Shaft, chain or belt. Single, dual, and triple belt design.
Molded, aluminum, fiberglass or graphite chassis.
Everything adjustable. Camber, caster, weight, height, roll and even color
For me seems manufacturers (and individuals) do have a lot of creativity.
Motor in the front (Ta03), mid (Tao5, Neo, drift designs), and back (414 - 417 etc).
Battery in both stick and saddle pack, in various layouts. Inline (Ta06, Losi), saddle (older designs), long (modern design), across (old design).
Shocks in both traditional, laydown IFS, and rotary (Awesomatix). Even off-road shocks are now used.
Shaft, chain or belt. Single, dual, and triple belt design.
Molded, aluminum, fiberglass or graphite chassis.
Everything adjustable. Camber, caster, weight, height, roll and even color
For me seems manufacturers (and individuals) do have a lot of creativity.
#94
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I doubt that they'll be very many new parts for this car in the near future. Turning car design is a lot more mature now than it was in the early 2000. Back then Yokomo would release a new car almost every four months. Today things are more stable. The T4 will get a top deck option maybe a chassis in a few months.
#96
Seen many types of design in TC. Hara even won with a HB drift car (motor mid front, battery back) in a TC race.
Motor in the front (Ta03), mid (Tao5, Neo, drift designs), and back (414 - 417 etc).
Battery in both stick and saddle pack, in various layouts. Inline (Ta06, Losi), saddle (older designs), long (modern design), across (old design).
Shocks in both traditional, laydown IFS, and rotary (Awesomatix). Even off-road shocks are now used.
Shaft, chain or belt. Single, dual, and triple belt design.
Molded, aluminum, fiberglass or graphite chassis.
Everything adjustable. Camber, caster, weight, height, roll and even color
For me seems manufacturers (and individuals) do have a lot of creativity.
Motor in the front (Ta03), mid (Tao5, Neo, drift designs), and back (414 - 417 etc).
Battery in both stick and saddle pack, in various layouts. Inline (Ta06, Losi), saddle (older designs), long (modern design), across (old design).
Shocks in both traditional, laydown IFS, and rotary (Awesomatix). Even off-road shocks are now used.
Shaft, chain or belt. Single, dual, and triple belt design.
Molded, aluminum, fiberglass or graphite chassis.
Everything adjustable. Camber, caster, weight, height, roll and even color
For me seems manufacturers (and individuals) do have a lot of creativity.
#97
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I am happy we're where we are in car design. I think one of the things we need right now is more stability. I can appreciate that new designs are cool looking, and I know advancements wait for no one, but I wouldn't mind seeing us stick with the same motors and battery design for another 5 years. If that means all the cars look the same in the mean time, I figure its a small price to pay for stability that I think will bring more people into racing.
#98
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I have to say these design features A++. I see where the BD7 got a lot of their design ideas.
http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric...nt-s411-2.html
http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric...nt-s411-2.html
#99
Regarding the Awesomatix, I guess my point is, yes, it's difference in many ways, but how much better is it than what is standard design? Just because it's different does that make it better? Unless I see this thing consistently putting down better laps then to me a radical design is meaningless. Unless it has less parts count, easier to adjust, stronger, lighter then I could understand such a design. Unless your just looking for something different, I would rather see companies improve on current design features.
What is the current design is proven, simple, and it work on all track conditions. I think the Yoke may have just found that little tweak to get an edge for a aggressive driving style. The longer chassis design and toe blocks may contribute to it's optimization. idk
I have to say design wise, I feel like the T4 R&D team lacks attention to details or chooses to take productions short cuts at the expense of better design features. The bumper and steering rack just seem slapped together. Speaking only of design features here though.
#100
Baa...which one came out first? I stand corrected a few design ideas. lol I thought the Kos 411 was? They both have the same motor mount style. Very similar at least. lol Not sure who Marc is but is he an engineer? If he's an engineer I can't fault him for being a C main racer. I don't know of any that can do both.
#101
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Umino is actually a pretty damn good driver. He's the designer of the BD7 (and 5, I assume) and was Masami's mechanic. He's now Ronald Volker's mechanic.
I was just kidding about him getting ideas from Fischer. Yokomo has been making sedans for a very long time. The S411 dropped a couple of years ago without anything particularly innovative about its design, though it seems to be a fine car with high quality parts. Martin Crisp always looked good with his at US races before he retired.
I was just kidding about him getting ideas from Fischer. Yokomo has been making sedans for a very long time. The S411 dropped a couple of years ago without anything particularly innovative about its design, though it seems to be a fine car with high quality parts. Martin Crisp always looked good with his at US races before he retired.
#102
Yeah, I'm a huge fan of Masami and Umino. I've not kept up on the racing scene over the last few years, but Umino seems to be a big part of a the team's setup success. I remember when Hara 1st won the worlds. If my memory is correct, I contributed it to the experience of Masami and Umino. I don't think he's been as dominating since he left their guidance. I've been out of the loop, but I very much respect those guys. I've never met them in person and wish I had the chance. I always thought Hara should have stayed with the team and learned from these guys.
Where's my other favorite racer, Barry Baker? What is he doing these days, got the chance to meet him. Great guy.
Where's my other favorite racer, Barry Baker? What is he doing these days, got the chance to meet him. Great guy.
Umino is actually a pretty damn good driver. He's the designer of the BD7 (and 5, I assume) and was Masami's mechanic. He's now Ronald Volker's mechanic.
I was just kidding about him getting ideas from Fischer. Yokomo has been making sedans for a very long time. The S411 dropped a couple of years ago without anything particularly innovative about its design, though it seems to be a fine car with high quality parts. Martin Crisp always looked good with his at US races before he retired.
I was just kidding about him getting ideas from Fischer. Yokomo has been making sedans for a very long time. The S411 dropped a couple of years ago without anything particularly innovative about its design, though it seems to be a fine car with high quality parts. Martin Crisp always looked good with his at US races before he retired.
Last edited by RCknight; 10-31-2012 at 09:25 PM.
#103
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The 411 has the two bearing holders held by screws onto the spur bulkhead. You can undo these and slide the holder off and the bearing will usually come with it. The spur has a tube that extends into the bearing. If you pull the bearing holders off, the topdeck still traps the whole spur assembly into the U of the spur bulkhead.
When I had mine, I was under the impression that the idea was to be able to undo the topdeck->spur bulkhead screws for more flex without compromising the spur clamping.
The sakura has a screw holding the bearing onto the spur tube. From what I recall the tube slides out of the spur holder/clamp. Pull these through and the spur assembly is free. (Sort of. You still have to deal with the belts)
What's wrong with the bumper and the steering rack? Plastic?
#104
Just checked the pdf manual again, I think you're thinking of the sakura.
The 411 has the two bearing holders held by screws onto the spur bulkhead. You can undo these and slide the holder off and the bearing will usually come with it. The spur has a tube that extends into the bearing. If you pull the bearing holders off, the topdeck still traps the whole spur assembly into the U of the spur bulkhead.
When I had mine, I was under the impression that the idea was to be able to undo the topdeck->spur bulkhead screws for more flex without compromising the spur clamping.
The sakura has a screw holding the bearing onto the spur tube. From what I recall the tube slides out of the spur holder/clamp. Pull these through and the spur assembly is free. (Sort of. You still have to deal with the belts)
What's wrong with the bumper and the steering rack? Plastic?
The 411 has the two bearing holders held by screws onto the spur bulkhead. You can undo these and slide the holder off and the bearing will usually come with it. The spur has a tube that extends into the bearing. If you pull the bearing holders off, the topdeck still traps the whole spur assembly into the U of the spur bulkhead.
When I had mine, I was under the impression that the idea was to be able to undo the topdeck->spur bulkhead screws for more flex without compromising the spur clamping.
The sakura has a screw holding the bearing onto the spur tube. From what I recall the tube slides out of the spur holder/clamp. Pull these through and the spur assembly is free. (Sort of. You still have to deal with the belts)
What's wrong with the bumper and the steering rack? Plastic?
#105
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It just seems completely butt backwards. In terms of design and added production costs. The rod angle is not optimal as well. The bumper could be better out of the box. I don't like the fact I need to buy another to get it right. Back to the steering, when I think logic design I first would think, mount the heaviest part of the steering components being the optional aluminum steering arms low as possible, thus reducing weight by making the steering posts shorter, putting the rack higher, thus not needing three shims, making easier access to the rack screws from above, and not limiting the steering throw."