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Old 03-24-2005, 10:32 AM   #1
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Since the Brushless (BL) has finally started in our crazy hobby.. feedback on what the latest and hottest motor esc combo out there on the market today is.

I'de like to hear your opinions.. please if you mention a motor type please include a url so we can find it and check it out.

We know more or less about the Novak systems.. 5300 and 5800 the 5800 is more or less equivalent to a good 19t to a 16t.

This is a good spec motor systems but what we all want to know is what can we run in the hot MOD SEDAN world. I've heard everything from 6t power and speed to stock motor run time.

Since I would like to purchase a BL system for my mod RDX I want to know the choices out there..cuz I'm freeking tired of cutting comms and changing brushes.. its worth the investment in a bl system.
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Old 03-24-2005, 10:56 AM   #2
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Do you want to know about the ROAR legal systems or all the systems that are available?

My personal favorite is the Schulze U-Froce 75 controller. Motors I have a couple of favorites. For indoor or other short tracks I like the lehner basic 4200. 4200 rpm/v but it can be geared to competer with 10 turns.

For larger tracks I like the Plettenberg Shadow. It is in the neighborhood of 6200 rpm/v and still very torquey. It is a 4 pole motor vs the two pole lehner. I would put it with 7 and 8 turn brushed motors.

Both work well with the Schulze controller, I use a small fan with the Shadow.

Lehner's Basic motor page
http://www.lehner-motoren.de/msbasic.php

Plettenberg's Shadow page
http://www.plettenberg-motoren.com/Daten/HP220car.htm

Schulze Page
http://www.schulze-elektronik-gmbh.de/index_uk.htm

Good source of information and motors
http://www.starluckrc.com/catalog/
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Old 03-24-2005, 11:25 AM   #3
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i though lehner does not confirm to brushless rules???

novak ss5800 ir more or less equal to 12 turns, not 16..
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i though lehner does not confirm to brushless rules???

novak ss5800 ir more or less equal to 12 turns, not 16..
I would say more like a 14-16 turn, a decent tuned 12 turn will show the 5800 a clean set of heels.
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The 5800 was turning laptimes on par with the 19t at paved nats in July....it was barely faster than the stock times.....

At the novak race, it wasn't much better....

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Please stay on subject we alaredy know about the novak system

they(novak) went after the recreational rc person.. we want to find the racers version all out hot setup.
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To defend the SS5800 a little bit here:

You're right, the lap times around the track at the paved onroad nats in portland were the same as what was run in 19T... but there are two things to remember about this:

1. Brushless ran for 8 Minutes. Gearing and driving for an 8 minute run, with brushed motors or brushless, is different than what you would do for a 5 minute run. If we had run 5 minutes I could have geared differently and driven a lot harder than I did. ?Battery and tire conservation are things to consider when running longer races...

2. We ran standard Super Sport ESCs there without the new "Plus" update...which means we ran without any sort of drag brake at all... which can be good in some situations, but bad in others. I believe with drag brake we could have attacked the track a lot differently, and in my opinion could have been able to go faster than we did.

FYI to stop any of the "program your esc to turn your 19 turn into a 10 turn" rubbish before it starts, the SS Plus update will not make the motor any FASTER than a standard SS esc. It will just allow you to change the feel and drivability of the system.
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We ran a 19t for 8 minutes.....and put up similar lap times.....I had Peter do it during practice....

And the lap times were dropped to seven minutes, because the motors were overheating.....Ron, one of my racers had his shut down twice....

The 5800 was marketed orginally as a 10 turn equal RACE system....it was not a hobbyist system....

The new system is good....so hurry up and get it out.....

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I was keeping up with a Revolution 9 turn on a medium size straight with my 5800.
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Eddie,

I still contend that the new software updates help increase the "on track" speed of the system... not to that of a 10 turn... but still an increase in speed.



...and as far as the other stuff goes: Yes, we're working on it!
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Since the Brushless (BL) has finally started in our crazy hobby.. feedback on what the latest and hottest motor esc combo out there on the market today is.

I'de like to hear your opinions.. please if you mention a motor type please include a url so we can find it and check it out.

We know more or less about the Novak systems.. 5300 and 5800 the 5800 is more or less equivalent to a good 19t to a 16t.

This is a good spec motor systems but what we all want to know is what can we run in the hot MOD SEDAN world. I've heard everything from 6t power and speed to stock motor run time.

Since I would like to purchase a BL system for my mod RDX I want to know the choices out there..cuz I'm freeking tired of cutting comms and changing brushes.. its worth the investment in a bl system.
U-force 75 with Hacker C40 6 turn motor, speed is equal to a a very good 8 turn brushed on 5 minute racing.
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U-force 75 with Hacker C40 6 turn motor, speed is equal to a a very good 8 turn brushed on 5 minute racing.
Nice!!! Does the ESC take brush motors as well and is there any turn limit for brush motors? Where's a good place to get it? Thanks.
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the U force runs everything brushed and Bruishless.

the best price i've seen is $289 for the uforce anyone find a better deal post it here.. and the url..

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uahaha...

today i've been racing for the first time with my lehner basic xl 5000 with uforce75...
damn, this motor is really fast sooo much power! though there's one thing.. i didn't notice any difference in timing adjuster, no matter if i do soft soft or hard, seems to be the same...

i got 8 minutes of runtime on carpet with 7.5 gear ratio on my pro4...

now if i could only get smc packs...
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