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Old 03-23-2005, 11:06 AM   #31
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This is going to be long...

Nationals guidelines and checklist:
Obivously, this exists, but adding a checkilist of tasks for the preparation, raceday, etc. and a general time line would be a great addition. Someone mentioned the checklist before (Rich Chang?) this is a great idea. A "typical day " for a track owner running a national might be a good ides. Just set down the customary practiices in writing. Successful track owners could also be called upon to provide advice for having a race that doesn't kill the business.

Also, maybe a video of a car being teched could be made. Nothing fancy, just get a camera and have somebody tech a car peoperly so the hosts have an idea of how to use the tools and what is done.

Recommendations on electrical service might also be helpful. 200 soldering irons all on at the same time is a huge load, let alone everthing else.

A list of past events hosted, along with the names of the sponsored drivers (at least some of them) that attended. Those drivers could give an opinion of how things were run.

Paid race director: An experienced race director could be hired for the weekend.
Manufacturers should contribute to a fund to make this happen. ROAR could then hire someone for the weekend. Obiously, if the host had this type of person on staff (Trackside/Scotty E, RC MAdness/Chris Marcy), this could be waived.


Paid ROAR Administrators:
As Todd Hodge brought up this needs to happen. Even if it is one person to attend all races with the proper tech equipment and scoring gear. Todd's Ideas for other duties are excellent. Perhaps we could gain additional exposure this way.

At the barest minimum, we need to have something to ensure that an official's way is paid to the race

Increased regional activity:
A regional points system, letting racers all over the region compete & gain points for a championship from their home tracks. This has already been proposed to ROAR. If the major scoring software producers could add a option to markup the results for internet transmission, it could all be handled via database. Tony (SKipGear) Hines had a complete proposal, including a programmer willing to create the software for the points calculations.

Qualifying into the nationals from regionals also would create a greater aura of prestige to the nationals. Even if the nationals became slightly smaller, it would allow longer range planning by both the track operator and thr racer.

Both of these ideas create greater value in the ROAR membership for the racer. ROAR becomes more than just insurance. Many racers never attend a national race. Many do attend races close to home. Regionals which become an "event" will increase membership. Local racing for a championship that includes a large group of tracks increases local excitement. The ROAR product becomes something that is wanted, vs. something that is a a requirement to race at one event a year.

Online voting:
If you increase the reliability and ease of voting, this would instantly raise turnout for votes. It 'is that simple.

Also, a once a year "referendum" vote could be taken for major rule changes, or ideas (e.g. Should we create rules for the "TMAXX" style Monster Trucks?). More direct involvement, without paralyzing the organization.

Volunteer "want ads"-
Add a section to the website to ask for volunteers for both long term jobs like commitee members, and short term like tech help for a couple days at a regional race, etc. Break it down by region. I think a lot of people would like to help out , but they don't know what to do. Some don't have the time for a big commitment. If they had something they could contribute for a few days, or a day or whatever, that is a start.


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Nice!

Some of this is already in the works and has been for some time. I will forward this on.
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Old 03-23-2005, 11:27 AM   #32
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I said nationals.....not regionals. Though regionals when I was a kid were always a handout race with the highest entry fees....with 150+ signups....now we are lucky to get 50-80.....with cheaper entry fees and no handouts....


Like I said, its all in the presentation.....

Right now, people bitch because they don't think what is being provided is worth the price. Add value.....and nobody will bitch.

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I said nationals.....not regionals. Though regionals when I was a kid were always a handout race with the highest entry fees....with 150+ signups....now we are lucky to get 50-80.....with cheaper entry fees and no handouts....


Like I said, its all in the presentation.....

Right now, people bitch because they don't think what is being provided is worth the price. Add value.....and nobody will bitch.

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Old 03-23-2005, 08:21 PM   #34
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Alot of good reading here. I think the points here have been well said. I all in favor of have ROAR raise membership dues to let's say $50 bucks, IF that means that roar and it's hosted events were to change for the better. The hobby has changed so much since roar's inception that some major changes are in order.

BTW, I just received my RevUp today, first one I have gotten since before the pres elections(which I would have cast my ballot if I would have known). Can you say Online?
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I think most R/C racers have computers, I say do away with Rev/up on paper and post it on the web, no printing, no supplies, and it is avaiable to everyone
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Old 03-24-2005, 08:19 AM   #36
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from what i have read so far on a few different treads is that a lot of people are not getting it by mail. i would think if they emailed it or posted it on their site it might get read more offten. if they are printing all of these revups and only a few are getting them where are the rest of them going? i was a member one year and never got one.

one more question, how offten is it sent out?
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from what i have read so far on a few different treads is that a lot of people are not getting it by mail. i would think if they emailed it or posted it on their site it might get read more offten. if they are printing all of these revups and only a few are getting them where are the rest of them going? i was a member one year and never got one.

one more question, how offten is it sent out?
every other month it is mailed out.

i think the entire mailing thing is flakey. it should be on the roar site as a pdf, emailed and html. if you want to get it by mail...you still should be able to for those that still dont use the computer. i think that the cost of mail would easily drop at least in half if it were electronic.
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bi-monthly to those who are paid up and provide correct and readable addresses. It also helps to notify them if you have an address change (ie move)
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Old 03-24-2005, 08:47 AM   #39
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Although many people, maybe even the majority of people in R/C have computers.. most people would only know about ROAR from hanging at a track, seeing a sanctioned event or reading it in a magazine. I don't believe many people go out looking for sanctioning bodies just to look for sanctioning bodies.

It would be fairly simple to provide the information, first on their website in PDF, second through voluntarily subscribed email, and always offer the mailed edition by default.
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It would seem like the quick fix to goto only online, but that would not be fair to the members who don't have computers....but there should be a mechanism to opt-in to online notification and stop physical mailings, this would save ROAR money that could be used elsewhere....

I am not sure what percentage of member's ROAR has working email addresses for but that should be a high priority to increase that number. I work for a non-profit and we spend alot of effort to collect email addresses, going so far as to have a sweepstakes where we are giving away an iPod for any customer we have that we don't have an email for who provides us their email...

Email is the cheapest/easiest form of communication for a non-profit/club --- there is so much that can be accomplished for little to no money it is a no-brainer....

ROAR should hold a similiar contest, give away a kit of your choice from a list just to come to the new ROAR website and signup, provide your email, verify your mailing address and participate in some survey....I am sure they could get the kit donated or at cost, the system to do the contest is simple....Just an idea....
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EDIT OR DELETE posts happen often....
yep... it does... when the posts are inflammatory, offensive or purely just inhuman. Never has a post been deleted for content unless it broke the rules of the forum - which are clearly posted. (well, one time I did delete a ridiculous post and I apologized and regretted that move.)

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